Professor Archive, a YouTube Channel full of A I Crap!

A few months ago, I discovered a YouTube channel that seemed to be documenting accounts of the decline of Christianity across America. 

https://www.youtube.com/@ProfessorArchive

Here is an example of one of its critical videos:

And another:

And yet another:

It’s the same message over and over, over and over, OVER AND OVER:  “Christianity in America is dying, Christianity in America is dying, Christianity in America is dying, Christianity in America is dying, Christianity in America is dying, Christianity in America is dying, Christianity in America is dying, Christianity in America is dying, Christianity in America is dying, Christianity in America is dying, Christianity in America is dying, Christianity in America is dying…..”
As an ex-Christian, you’d think I’d be happy by this news. But my critical thinking doesn’t get turned off because the content says what I WANT to believe; that is known as confirmation bias.

There are two things fundamentally wrong with Professor Archive’s content. First, it is clear that every single video is made with tons of images generated with A I rather than genuine pictures of real people. Second, that channel releases TWO videos every day. This is what I call “flooding”, a brazen attempt to get as much attention as possible via excessive content, even if that content is inferior in quality.

Because of this, I am certain there will be a HUGE backlash against Professor Archive’s content. Christians who come across it will rightfully call his videos fake and therefore argue that everything he says are lies. His credibility will soon be destroyed before the public. 

It would be better for him to only make ONE video a week and use REAL images in all of them, deal with a variety of subjects instead of obsessively focusing on bashing Christianity, and make positive statements about how some things in the world are improving or at least give advice on how to improve things. Like I do when I promote Unitarian Universalism.

I therefore reject and denounce Professor Archive’s content as worthless. For the record, I NEVER use A I content in this blog; everything I have ever made here was generated by my own natural intelligence. And that’s the only writing I think should be accepted, especially on serious academic subjects.

Facing a Mormon Idiot in YouTube.

I created that video and soon after I uploaded it to YouTube, this person came along to annoy me.

@LHJlives

The Book of Mormon literally teaches that the descendants of the people in the Book will accept the Gospel in the last days (the present) and will “blossom as a rose”. Joseph Smith said that the Gospel would be taken to the Lamanites and would fill North and South America, this is being fulfilled as literally millions of people with native ancestry have accepted the Gospel wholeheartedly. There’s a reason why church membership is skyrocketing in countries like Mexico and Brazil.

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My response on YouTube itself was:

Right….that’s a self-fulfilling prophecy because Mormon missionaries are targeting those peoples. I have nothing but contempt for religious leaders of any kind who see people around the world as prey to assimilate. What do you think the Borg of Star Trek and the Cybermen of Doctor Who represented?! DAMN YOUR DISGUSTING CULT TO HELL!!!!
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Another Arrogant Case of Christian Apologist Hypocrisy!

Take a look at this:

Hi, I’m Erik Manning.

If you’re like most of my readers, you’re a Christian who feels a conviction to share their faith. But, if you’re like me, you’ve found that our culture is growing increasingly skeptical towards the Gospel. According to many in society, Christianity is anti-science, intolerant, and based on fairy tales.

Not too long ago, I was sitting with a couple of co-worker friends, and the conversation switched to spiritual things. I started to share Jesus, and let’s say that things didn’t go well. They shot me to shreds.

One of my co-worker friends was an agnostic and thought that science disproved God. The other was a son of missionaries, but he lost his faith while he was in college and was now a Buddhist. Both raised objections that left me speechless at the time.

Rather than accepting defeat, this pushed me into looking for answers for why I believe what I believe. I was able to find a mentor who happened to be a philosophy professor and an expert on historical apologetics. He graciously put me on an intense self-study track and made himself available for guidance. I devoured literature, podcasts, lectures, and online classrooms produced by both Christians and skeptics.

As I did, my confidence grew tremendously. I’m no longer afraid of being asked hard questions. I realized that my faith wasn’t just experiential but also rooted in history, reason, and even science. This blog is a product of my past and ongoing studies in this area.

I aim to help doubters doubt their doubts and equip believers to be able to share their faith in a skeptical culture.

I tackle issues like the reliability of the gospels, the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus, the foundation for moral values, ethical objections raised against Scripture, and other common skeptical objections to belief in God or Christianity.

What a load of crap! Let’s break that down, shall we?

If you’re like most of my readers, you’re a Christian who feels a conviction to share their faith. But, if you’re like me, you’ve found that our culture is growing increasingly skeptical towards the Gospel. According to many in society, Christianity is anti-science, intolerant, and based on fairy tales.

It’s not just evolution that discredits Genesis!

One of my co-worker friends was an agnostic and thought that science disproved God. The other was a son of missionaries, but he lost his faith while he was in college and was now a Buddhist. Both raised objections that left me speechless at the time.

Maybe because their Spiritual Orientation was different from yours? Did either of them say you shouldn’t be Christian? If they did, that was wrong.

If your Spiritual Orientation is CHRISTIAN….

If Your Spiritual Orientation is HUMANIST…

If your Spiritual Orientation is BUDDHIST…

Rather than accepting defeat, this pushed me into looking for answers for why I believe what I believe. I was able to find a mentor who happened to be a philosophy professor and an expert on historical apologetics. He graciously put me on an intense self-study track and made himself available for guidance. I devoured literature, podcasts, lectures, and online classrooms produced by both Christians and skeptics.

No, it wasn’t about accepting defeat, you bigot! It was really about respecting them as fellow human beings with autonomy like your own. And based on what I know about apologists, your mentor was almost certainly a con artist and he trained you to be one too, not an honest seeker of truth.

As I did, my confidence grew tremendously. I’m no longer afraid of being asked hard questions. I realized that my faith wasn’t just experiential but also rooted in history, reason, and even science.

Anyone can say that about his faith, whether Christian or not. Apologetics is about assuming a set of dogmas must be true and constructing arguments to support that presumption, which should be seen by everyone as unethical. 

An example of that being done to defend the Baha’i Faith, which nearly all Christians would reject as a false cult:

Adib Taherzadeh, CON ARTIST

I aim to help doubters doubt their doubts and equip believers to be able to share their faith in a skeptical culture.

Doubt their doubts? What does that even mean? That’s just an absurd cliche.

I tackle issues like the reliability of the gospels, the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus, the foundation for moral values, ethical objections raised against Scripture, and other common skeptical objections to belief in God or Christianity.

Look I already know that the Gospels are NOT reliable: Teaching religion dishonestly

…that there is no independent historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus. Appeals to the accounts given in the four Gospels are circular reasoning and therefore invalid as a matter of establishing truth….

…a true foundation for moral values is based on empathy for fellow humans, not mere obedience to religious leaders and their questionable dogmas.,,,,

…..and as for ethical objections raised against Scripture:   Biblical Genocide and Pedophilia

This is the YouTube channel for that apologist:

https://www.youtube.com/@TestifyApologetics

Looking at his videos, I see he is obsessed with bashing Islam and the Prophet Muhammad and also slams Joseph Smith and the Mormon cult he founded….while also attacking Muhammad. Of course, I have attacked Islam a few times too, but I also understand why someone would convert to Islam. This other guy is an Islamophobe and that is repulsive to me.

I don’t care what you believe, as long as it is a private matter. But when you start asserting your religion as absolute truth that all should accept and follow, I react badly to such attitudes.

Insane Murder of Innocent Germans!

Read this story:

https://apnews.com/article/germany-christmas-market-attack-magdeburg-32ec923f21cccb2a34e287da42ced921

Germans mourn the 5 killed and 200 injured in the apparent attack on a Christmas market

MAGDEBURG, Germany (AP) — Germans on Saturday mourned the victims of an apparent attack in which authorities say a doctor drove into a busy outdoor Christmas market, killing five people, injuring 200 others and shaking the public’s sense of security at what would otherwise be a time of joy.

The alleged attack Friday evening in Magdeburg, about 130 kilometers (80 miles) west of Berlin, killed a 9-year-old and four adults and injured 41 people badly enough that authorities warned the death toll could rise.

Magdeburg marked the tragedy Saturday with the tolling church bells at 7:04 p.m., the exact time of the attack in the city of roughly 240,000 people.

The driver, a 50-year-old doctor who immigrated from Saudi Arabia in 2006, surrendered to police at the scene. He’s being investigated for five counts of suspected murder and 205 counts of suspected attempted murder, prosecutor Horst Walter Nopens said at a news conference.

Among other things, investigators are looking into whether the attack could have been motivated by the suspect’s dissatisfaction with the way Germany treats Saudi refugees, Nopens said.

“There is no more peaceful and cheerful place than a Christmas market,” Chancellor Olaf Scholz said. “What a terrible act it is to injure and kill so many people there with such brutality.”

Although Nopens mentioned the treatment of Saudi immigrants angle, authorities said Saturday that they still didn’t know why the suspect drove his black BMW into the crowded market.

Police haven’t publicly named the suspect, but several German news outlets identified him as Taleb A., withholding his last name in line with privacy laws, and reported that he was a specialist in psychiatry and psychotherapy.

Describing himself as a former Muslim, the suspect appears to have been an active user of the social media platform X, sharing dozens of tweets and retweets daily focusing on anti-Islam themes, criticizing the religion and congratulating Muslims who had left the faith.

He also accused German authorities of failing to do enough to combat what he referred to as the “Islamification of Europe.”

Magdeburg is shaken

The violence shocked Germany and Magdeburg, which is the capital of the eastern state of Saxony-Anhalt, bringing its mayor to the verge of tears and marring the centuries-old German tradition of Christmas markets. It led several other communities to cancel their weekend Christmas markets as a precaution and out of solidarity with Magdeburg’s loss. Berlin kept its many markets open but increased its police presence at them.

Germany has suffered a string of extremist attacks in recent years, including a knife attack that killed three people and wounded eight at a festival in the western city of Solingen in August.

Friday’s attack came eight years after an Islamic extremist drove a truck into a crowded Christmas market in Berlin, killing 13 people and injuring many others. The attacker was killed days later in a shootout in Italy.

Chancellor Scholz and Interior Minister Nancy Faeser traveled to Magdeburg, where a memorial service took place Saturday. Faeser ordered flags lowered to half-staff at federal buildings across the country.

Although many people went to the site with candles to mourn the victims, several hundred far-right protesters gathered in a central square in Magdeburg with a banner that read “remigration,” German news agency dpa reported.

A witness recounts the horrifying attack

Verified bystander footage distributed by dpa showed the suspect’s arrest at a tram stop in the middle of the road. A nearby police officer pointing a handgun at the man shouted at him as he lay prone, his head arched up slightly. Other officers swarmed around the suspect and took him into custody.

Thi Linh Chi Nguyen, a 34-year-old manicurist from Vietnam whose salon is in a mall across from the Christmas market, was on the phone during a break when she heard loud bangs that she thought were fireworks. She then saw a car drive through the market at high speed. People screamed and a child was thrown into the air by the car.

Shaking as she described what she had witnessed, she recalled seeing the car bursting out of the market and turning right onto Ernst-Reuter-Allee street and then coming to a standstill at the tram stop where the suspect was arrested.

The number of injured people was overwhelming.

“My husband and I helped them for two hours. He ran back home and grabbed as many blankets as he could find because they didn’t have enough to cover the injured people. And it was so cold,” she said.

 

The market itself was still cordoned off Saturday with red and white tape and police vans, as armed officers guarded at every entrance. Some thermal security blankets still lay on the street.

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So let me get this straight…..this doctor, a domestic TERRORIST, killed and injured people because of his hatred for Islam?! REALLY???!!! HOW DOES HURTING INNOCENT BYSTANDERS DISCREDIT ISLAM?!

Maybe this guy should be DEPORTED back to Saudi Arabia and then the Saudis can punish him, since I know already the Germans won’t give him the death penalty if he is kept in Germany.

All this does is make Islam and Muslims look sympathetic, the exact opposite of what that idiot intended!

Did Linkin Park make a critical mistake?

In 2017, the rock music community lost one of its greatest singers, Chester Bennington, to suicide. Since that time until this year, Chester’s band, Linkin Park, was said to be on hiatus, rather than just break up completely. Finally, less than a week ago, we learned that the band had finally hired a new lead singer, Emily Armstrong.

WHO???

I’d never heard of her, at all. And it seems her sudden appearance was a shock to many others too, but not for the reasons you’d think were obvious.

So she was a Scientologist. Does that mean she should be condemned for her past? I am an ex-Baha’i and I would think it unfair for me to be condemned for being a Baha’i if I joined a famous rock band. I’d want to be known for what I am NOW, a Unitarian Universalist. Likewise, Armstrong should be known for what she is NOW. I mean, has she made any statements defending the Church of Scientology lately?

As for her singing for Linkin Park:

She does well enough to satisfy me, but she may not win over hardcore fans who still miss Chester Bennington. But the band Linkin Park will live on, just as AD/DC did after losing Bon Scott and Metallica did after losing bassist Cliff Burton and both bands became even more successful later. So let’s watch and see what happens.

When “Feminists” Betray their Own Cause

This may be almost a decade ago, but it doesn’t matter. Betrayal is betrayal and this is a prime example.

On December 2, 2015, the Goldsmiths Feminist Society posted this nonsense on their official tumblr blog.

Someone responded to this by saying:

Way to go with inconsistency and hypocrisy, goldsmiths ‘feminists’

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Why would feminists side with Muslims against atheists? Let us look at passages from the Quran, the book that is the very foundation of Islam itself.

2:223

Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad).

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4:11

Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females, and if there be women more than two, then theirs is two-thirds of the inheritance, and if there be one (only) then the half. And to each of his parents a sixth of the inheritance, if he have a son; and if he have no son and his parents are his heirs, then to his mother appertaineth the third; and if he have brethren, then to his mother appertaineth the sixth, after any legacy he may have bequeathed, or debt (hath been paid). Your parents and your children: Ye know not which of them is nearer unto you in usefulness. It is an injunction from Allah. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.

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4:34

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

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24:31

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands’ fathers, or their sons or their husbands’ sons, or their brothers or their brothers’ sons or sisters’ sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women’s nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed.

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Surely that is enough to show that Islam by its very nature is anti-feminist. So why did the Goldsmiths Feminist Society take the absurd position they did? Because in most western countries, including the United Kingdom and the United States, Muslims are a marginalized people. But while you may defend the rights and dignity of Muslims, defending Islam itself is unacceptable because it is indeed a HARMFUL religion to women! The simple fact that in most Muslim countries women are treated as second class citizens is proof of that. It is NOT Islamophobic to criticize Islam for that. It is opposing SEXISM, which feminists are expected to do.

Fortunately, it seems the  Goldsmiths Feminist Society collapsed soon after this disgrace. They have not posted anything on tumblr since 2016:

https://www.tumblr.com/goldfemsoc-blog

They also haven’t posted anything on Twitter since that year:

Likewise, they have posted nothing on their Facebook page since 2018.

https://www.facebook.com/goldfemsoc/

So good riddance!

Another Debate with a Religious Apologist

First read these:

On the first blog entry, some asshole had the incredible arrogance to challenge me on what should have been painfully obvious, even to him.

I’m lost. What’s your beef here. Are you saying if the Lord sets up a society of people and gives them a system of jurisprudence to follow He is required to follow that same system?

Wouldn’t that be obvious? I would certainly not worship a hypocrite, because then I’d be one too.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that this was a covenant, or a contract, and exaggerating the universality of God’s commandments to Israel as a result. Most contracts don’t require the parties to do the same things. The things the Lord commanded were things He said Israel needed to do to be His people. That’s it. The things He would do in return were different things. 

Did the Lord say somewhere that it’s always wrong for a man to die in his friends’ stead? Because that’s not what the verse you quoted says. He’s telling them, “This is the principle you will follow to manage things.” 

Mental gymnastics like yours enable all sorts of corruption and abuse.

Let me make it clear……in a just society, NO ONE is above the law. Even God should be subject to his own laws, or those laws are pointless, period. Hypocrisy is just that, period, and it doesn’t matter who is the hypocrite.

Mental gymnastics? Abuse? Why don’t you back off the name-calling and address my point about the covenant angle.

FYI there are plenty of instances in which individuals forbid others from doing something they do themselves that are not hypocritical. The guy who tells another guy, “Don’t you dare touch my wife”: Not a Hypocrite.  The father that tells his seven-year-old, “Don’t you dare touch these matches”: Not a Hypocrite.  Our criminal justice system, which imprisons people daily, but says to the general public, “Don’t you dare capture someone you think is guilty of a crime and hold them captive to punish them”: Not Hypocritical.

This ‘God is a hypocrite’ schtick isn’t the slam dunk you think it is.

And, I have to point out the irony that we’re discussing a directive in which God told the children of Israel that they were not allowed to punish family members for their relatives’ crimes, but your knee-jerk response when you’re challenged its to cry “Abuse, abuse!”

(Dale Husband: Covenants or contracts which bind one party and not the other are SCAMS and I will not accept any scams. Including those in religion.

We are not talking about property rights [“don’t take my car without my permission”] or marriage vows [“don’t cheat on me with any other woman”]. We are talking about BASIC STANDARDS OF JUSTICE which the God of the Bible did not follow, making those standards useless for anyone. A father who beats his children out of anger but then punishes his child for beating another child is indeed a hypocrite, period. Deal with it!

Until you grow up and deal with the reality that your own religion is full of contradictions and totally lacking in empirical evidence, you deserve no respect when you defend that nonsense before someone like me who knows better than to be fooled by your lies.

And that is the last thing I will say to you, con artist. Goodbye.)

Except… the OT covenant didn’t just bind one of the parties, it bound both. My examples were intended to demonstrate that you’re over-simplifying the nature of agreements to justify your claim that God of the Bible is a hypocrite. I notice you didn’t address the example I gave of our criminal justice system, which, unlike the first two, is analogous. If you would stop the tantrum-throwing for 5 minutes and think about this, you may come up with a more meaningful response.

You have been strangely nasty and ad hominem from the start. A person who acts like this is really in no position to give speeches about abusive fathers (which looks like another attempt to distract from the subject). Or call others ‘con artists.’

(Dale Husband: Needless to say, all those statements made by the commenter here are nonsense. ALL OF THEM! It just blows my mind how shameless he is in defending what any rational person would know to be indefensible. But this is what religious brainwashing does to people, completely perverting even the most basic concepts of TRUTH and LOGIC! And I have no problem calling a spade a spade when it looks like a spade…..or a hypocrite in this obvious case. I don’t have to refute all his rhetorical trickery for one simple reason: aside from the CLAIMS published in the Bible, there is absolutely NO evidence that God made any sort of covenant with anyone. Until such evidence is discovered, what’s the point of a debate on the matter?)

Going back to my opponent’s original question:

(((Are you saying if the Lord sets up a society of people and gives them a system of jurisprudence to follow He is required to follow that same system?)))

God is often compared to a king. Well, kings in real life used to have so much power over their subjects that they could even have them killed for any reasons they felt like. A notorious example was King Henry VIII, who had six wives and actually put two of them to death for adultery. Even while betraying his first wife by falling in love with the woman who would become his second. He was sexist as hell!

Roman Emperors like Caligula and Nero also killed people they didn’t like. So did Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin.

I do NOT want to live in a society where anyone is above the law. Not God, not kings, emperors or dictators……NOBODY should be powerful enough to destroy lives while forbidding murder by their own subjects….because obviously they themselves do not want to assassinated, even if they deserve it for being murderers themselves.

Ethical principles are absolute, or they are pointless. No God or human ruler should ever make laws he himself does not obey, period. It just amazes me that anyone would think otherwise.

First, neither my opponent nor anyone else is entitled to tell me how to argue with others on my own blog. That sense of entitlement never ceases to enrage me because it is a form of verbal abuse known as “tone-policing”. That alone is just insulting. Seriously, don’t do that to anyone!

Second, NotALibertarian’s arguments and views are indeed contrary to the most basic principles of freedom and democracy spelled out in the American and French Revolutions of the 18th Century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_right_of_kings

The doctrine asserts that a monarch is not accountable to any earthly authority (such as a parliament or the Pope) because their right to rule is derived from divine authority. Thus, the monarch is not subject to the will of the people, of the aristocracy, or of any other estate of the realm. It follows that only divine authority can judge a monarch, and that any attempt to depose, dethrone, resist or restrict their powers runs contrary to God’s will and may constitute a sacrilegious act. It does not imply that their power is absolute.

It was only natural that human rulers would want some of the absolute power of God for themselves. I already mentioned how King Henry VIII of England put to death two of his six wives. He should have been overthrown and executed for those things. But instead that happened to one of his successors, Charles I. After that, kings in England no longer had absolute power. Better late than never.

Let us remember what was written in the Declaration of Independence.

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

We need only extend this principle to its logical conclusion: That even God himself need not be worshipped by men if he is a tyrant who abuses his people without any accountability. And that is exactly how the Bible depicts him. Indeed, there is absolutely NO reference to democracy or human rights in the modern sense in the Bible. You’d think God would have inspired Moses, Jesus, or the prophets that lived between their times to preach about such ideas, but they never did. The only types of government they favored were either absolute monarchies or theocracies.

This is proof that the “Creator” referred to in the Declaration of Independence was NOT the God of the Bible at all.

An Attempt by a Transphobe to Turn r/UnitarianUniversalist into a War Zone.

I moderate this subreddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnitarianUniversalist

And one of the things I and the other mods have to watch for are bigoted trolls trying to invade our space and cause trouble for us to promote a regressive agenda.

So one day a stranger butts in and posts this:

Anti UU lies3

Anti UU lies61

It took me several hours to deal with the problem, and by then there had been a massive uproar over it. After carefully reviewing the situation, I banned the intruder.

Later, I posted this:

Which prompted the troll to make an alt account and post this:

Both of the posts that were deleted were done so by him before I was going to do it. The reason I didn’t delete his filth immediately was because I wanted to make screenshots of his attacks to use as evidence against him later. So……

Anti UU lies56Anti UU lies57

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In all the cases, I and most of the others in the subreddit debunked the troll’s lies and total nonsense.

The troll also attacked me directly through the mod channels.
https://imgur.com/a/xMMteja

Gee, I wonder if that idiot was taking legal lessons from Wahid Azal. Just sayin’…….

A TERF wrote a bigoted book that was published by Unitarian Universalists!

This is one of my favorite memes:

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Now read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transsexual_Empire

The Transsexual Empire: The Making of the She-Male is a 1979 book critical of transsexualism by American radical feminist author and activist Janice Raymond. The book is derived from Raymond’s dissertation, which was produced under the supervision of the feminist theologian Mary Daly.[1]

What makes this book especially disturbing is what company published that bigoted pile of crap. BEACON PRESS, the publishing arm of the Unitarian Universalist Association!

It’s a safe bet that the UUA of today would never endorse such a book.

A Critical Mistake in the UU World

And indeed, when I looked for this book on the Beacon Press website:

https://www.beacon.org/cw_Search.aspx?k=The+Transsexual+Empire

Search Results For ‘The Transsexual Empire’
Displaying items 0 – 0 of 0
No products match your search criteria or the criteria was not meaningful.

So that’s a relief. Oh, wait…..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transsexual_Empire#Publication_history

In 1979, the first edition of The Transsexual Empire was published by Beacon Press, a nonprofit publisher in Boston run by the Unitarian Universalist Association. In 1980, the book was published in the United Kingdom by The Women’s Press.[7] In 1994, a second edition was published by Teachers College Press.[8]

Hopefully, the book in the year 2024 is completely out of print and maybe it won’t be sold in bookstores anymore. But…..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janice_Raymond

Janice G. Raymond (born January 24, 1943)[citation needed] is an American lesbian radical feminist and professor emerita of women’s studies and medical ethics at the University of Massachusetts Amherst. She is known for her work against violence, sexual exploitation, and medical abuse of women, and for her controversial work denouncing transsexuality.

A LESBIAN?! Does that hypocrite not understand that her psychotic views against transgender people are EXACTLY the same as homophobes would be against her as a lesbian or male chauvinists would be against her as a feminist? She has NO credibility whatsoever!

TERFs are no better than MRAs

A former TERF defects and exposes the cultlike nature of the movement she once believed in.

And while Raymond may still be alive, her mentor Mary Daly died in 2010. What was her attitude towards men?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Daly#Career

Daly taught classes at Boston College from 1967 to 1999, including courses in theology, feminist ethics, and patriarchy.

Daly was first threatened with dismissal when, following the publication of her first book, The Church and the Second Sex (1968), she was issued a terminal (fixed-length) contract. As a result of support from the (then all-male) student body and the general public, however, Daly was ultimately granted tenure.

Daly’s refusal to admit male students to some of her classes at Boston College also resulted in disciplinary action. While Daly argued that their presence inhibited class discussion, Boston College took the view that her actions were in violation of title IX of federal law requiring the college to ensure that no person was excluded from an education program on the basis of sex, and of the university’s own non-discrimination policy insisting that all courses be open to both male and female students.

In 1989, Daly became an associate of the Women’s Institute for Freedom of the Press.[8]

In 1998, a discrimination claim against the college by two male students was backed by the Center for Individual Rights, a conservative advocacy group. Following further reprimand, Daly absented herself from classes rather than admit the male students.[9] Boston College removed her tenure rights, citing a verbal agreement by Daly to retire. She brought suit against the college disputing violation of her tenure rights and claimed she was forced out against her will, but her request for an injunction was denied by Middlesex Superior Court Judge Martha Sosman.[10]

A confidential out-of-court settlement was reached. The college maintains that Daly had agreed to retire from her faculty position,[11] while others assert she was forced out.[12][13] Daly maintained that Boston College wronged her students by depriving her of her right to teach freely to only female students.[14] She documented her account of the events in the 2006 book, Amazon Grace: Recalling the Courage to Sin Big.

So Daly was BIGOTED against men! As are most TERFs today.

You are either inclusive of all kinds of people, or you are not. I want NOTHING to do with the kind of toxic “feminism” that seeks to exclude and demonize men, even those that want to understand women and their views better!

The Bigotries of “Everyday Feminism”

It is BIGOTED to exclude white people from a course on black American or African history.

It is BIGOTED to exclude Christians from courses on Islamic history.

It is BIGOTED to exclude straight people from a course on LGBT issues and history.

We should either oppose ALL bigotry, or we are HYPOCRITES, period!

And the Unitarian Universalist Association needs to explicitly denounce “The Transsexual Empire” for the worthless shit it is!

The Incredible Stupidity of “Christians” Online

Watch this video:

OK, were you as shocked as I was? Here’s the original version of that song to restore your proper brain functions.

How desperate are Christians to mimic popular culture to try to reach out to the youth of the present age to win new converts to their religion? Well, if you are familiar with Batman and other superheros, how about the Christian version of one?

And looooooong before that, there was the “Heaven’s metal” band Stryper, which I heard so much about back when I was myself a Christian in the 1980s.

The basic premise of all these “Christian” things above is “if we give our youth versions of popular culture that meet OUR standards, they won’t be corrupted by the satanic stuff out there.”

Well, it is NOT working!

Rewriting a bigoted article about religion

Princess Leia was right!

Another former Christian rocker defects to non-theism

More to the point of why the efforts to mimic popular culture is failing, even some Christians themselves can see the nonsense for what it is.

But those who know better are not in control of the Christian churches, or “Christian” media outlets. So they are alienated.

Amy Grant, one of the most powerful Christian singers, faced a crisis of faith when she found herself divorcing fellow Christian artist Gary Chapman. Their both being Christian wasn’t enough to make their marriage work, because Chapman had a toxic personality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Chapman_(musician)#Personal_life

Chapman married Amy Grant on June 19, 1982. Grant filed for divorce from Chapman in March 1999, citing “irreconcilable differences”, and the divorce was finalized in June 1999.[16]

Chapman married Jennifer Pittman in July 2000. Chapman and Pittman divorced in 2007.[1]

On December 22, 2008, Chapman married Cassie Piersol.[1][17] The couple began a project called A Hymn a Week in 2010 to honor the musical heritage left to Chapman by his parents.[3] Chapman has stated that both his parents, who were small-town pastors for their entire lives, had a strong influence in his life and they “implanted the hymns into [his] heart”.

This is what happens when you are not firmly connected with REALITY.

Amy Grant found true love with another.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Grant#Personal_life

On March 10, 2000, Grant married country singer-songwriter Vince Gill, who had been previously married to country singer Janis Oliver of Sweethearts of the Rodeo.[51] Grant and Gill have one daughter together, Corrina Grant Gill, born March 12, 2001.[52]

In the November 1999 CCM Magazine, Grant explained why she left Chapman and married Gill:

I didn’t get a divorce because ‘I had a great marriage and then along came Vince Gill.’ Gary and I had a rocky road from day one. I think what was so hard—and this is (what) one of our counselors said—sometimes an innocent party can come into a situation, and they’re like a big spotlight. What they do is reveal, by comparison, the painful dynamics that are already in existence.[53]

Christians everywhere need to understand that their religion does not save anyone. Having a healthy personality can save people! I myself only learned that after going into and then out of ANOTHER dogmatic God-centered religion.

A Baha’i Divorce

After I left the Baha’i Faith, I realized that religion simply has nothing whatsoever to do with one’s character; if people have screwed up personalities, religion actually can make them worse by making them think that believing certain dogmas and following certain rituals will save them and make them great people before God and their fellow humans. I know from my own experience with myself and others that this is simply a lie.

Creeping Death

The title above refers to a song by the metal band Metallica.

That song is about the tenth plague God sent to Egypt to kill all of the firstborn of that nation. It is described in Exodus 11:1–12:36.

Chapter 11

1 The Lord said to Moses, “Yet one plague more I will bring upon Pharaoh and upon Egypt. Afterward he will let you go from here. When he lets you go, he will drive you away completely. Speak now in the hearing of the people, that they ask, every man of his neighbor and every woman of her neighbor, for silver and gold jewelry.” And the Lord gave the people favor in the sight of the Egyptians. Moreover, the man Moses was very great in the land of Egypt, in the sight of Pharaoh’s servants and in the sight of the people.

So Moses said, “Thus says the Lord: ‘About midnight I will go out in the midst of Egypt, and every firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sits on his throne, even to the firstborn of the slave girl who is behind the handmill, and all the firstborn of the cattle. There shall be a great cry throughout all the land of Egypt, such as there has never been, nor ever will be again. But not a dog shall growl against any of the people of Israel, either man or beast, that you may know that the Lord makes a distinction between Egypt and Israel.’ And all these your servants shall come down to me and bow down to me, saying, ‘Get out, you and all the people who follow you.’ And after that I will go out.” And he went out from Pharaoh in hot anger. Then the Lord said to Moses, “Pharaoh will not listen to you, that my wonders may be multiplied in the land of Egypt.”

10 Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh, and the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he did not let the people of Israel go out of his land.

Chapter 12

 1 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, “This month shall be for you the beginning of months. It shall be the first month of the year for you. Tell all the congregation of Israel that on the tenth day of this month every man shall take a lamb according to their fathers’ houses, a lamb for a household. And if the household is too small for a lamb, then he and his nearest neighbor shall take according to the number of persons; according to what each can eat you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male a year old. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats, and you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs at twilight.[a]

“Then they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses in which they eat it. They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted on the fire; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it. Do not eat any of it raw or boiled in water, but roasted, its head with its legs and its inner parts. 10 And you shall let none of it remain until the morning; anything that remains until the morning you shall burn. 11 In this manner you shall eat it: with your belt fastened, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. And you shall eat it in haste. It is the Lord‘s Passover. 12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt that night, and I will strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and on all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the Lord. 13 The blood shall be a sign for you, on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and no plague will befall you to destroy you, when I strike the land of Egypt.

14 “This day shall be for you a memorial day, and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord; throughout your generations, as a statute forever, you shall keep it as a feast. 15 Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall remove leaven out of your houses, for if anyone eats what is leavened, from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. 16 On the first day you shall hold a holy assembly, and on the seventh day a holy assembly. No work shall be done on those days. But what everyone needs to eat, that alone may be prepared by you. 17 And you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this very day I brought your hosts out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day, throughout your generations, as a statute forever. 18 In the first month, from the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month at evening. 19 For seven days no leaven is to be found in your houses. If anyone eats what is leavened, that person will be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is a sojourner or a native of the land. 20 You shall eat nothing leavened; in all your dwelling places you shall eat unleavened bread.”

21 Then Moses called all the elders of Israel and said to them, “Go and select lambs for yourselves according to your clans, and kill the Passover lamb. 22 Take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the blood that is in the basin, and touch the lintel and the two doorposts with the blood that is in the basin. None of you shall go out of the door of his house until the morning. 23 For the Lord will pass through to strike the Egyptians, and when he sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer to enter your houses to strike you. 24 You shall observe this rite as a statute for you and for your sons forever. 25 And when you come to the land that the Lord will give you, as he has promised, you shall keep this service. 26 And when your children say to you, ‘What do you mean by this service?’ 27 you shall say, ‘It is the sacrifice of the Lord‘s Passover, for he passed over the houses of the people of Israel in Egypt, when he struck the Egyptians but spared our houses.’” And the people bowed their heads and worshiped.

28 Then the people of Israel went and did so; as the Lord had commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did.

29 At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of the livestock. 30 And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he and all his servants and all the Egyptians. And there was a great cry in Egypt, for there was not a house where someone was not dead. 31 Then he summoned Moses and Aaron by night and said, “Up, go out from among my people, both you and the people of Israel; and go, serve the Lord, as you have said. 32 Take your flocks and your herds, as you have said, and be gone, and bless me also!”

33 The Egyptians were urgent with the people to send them out of the land in haste. For they said, “We shall all be dead.” 34 So the people took their dough before it was leavened, their kneading bowls being bound up in their cloaks on their shoulders. 35 The people of Israel had also done as Moses told them, for they had asked the Egyptians for silver and gold jewelry and for clothing. 36 And the Lord had given the people favor in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they let them have what they asked. Thus they plundered the Egyptians.

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Now read this:

God was a hypocrite?!

And of course, there was this:

Biblical Genocide and Pedophilia

And I repeat:

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. – Deuteronomy 24:16

But……wasn’t that last plague on Egypt, involving the deaths of all the firstborn of Egypt, a clear example of God violating one of his own laws? God was a hypocrite to Egypt, he was a hypocrite to the Midianites and then God was one yet again to King David!

And that is why I will NEVER again bow my knee to the God of the Bible. Quite simply:

 

The Strange Case of Lot and his Daughters

In Genesis chapter 19, two of God’s angels warn Lot that the city of Sodom will soon be destroyed because of the wickedness of the people, so he and his family must leave. Soon afterwards, Lot’s home is surrounded by many men who demand that the guests in his house surrender to them, so the men can rape them. Lot refuses and instead offers them his daughters (which is itself revolting as hell). The men of Sodom refuse this offer, so the angels then blind the men and enable Lot and his family to escape……except Lot’s wife dies when she looks back to see the destruction of the city, turning into a pillar of salt. And afterwards…….

Genesis 19:30-36

30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.

31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

First of all, where did the girls get the alcohol to make their father drunk? They were in a cave, so they couldn’t have gone to a nearby bar to purchase alcoholic beverages. Did they have any money? And if they made their father so drunk he was unaware of his surroundings, sex was not an option,  due to his being unable to have an erection.

The reason for the strange telling of this story is because Lot was considered a “righteous” man. Well, so were the Duggars before their eldest son Josh was exposed as a CHILD RAPIST!

So this is what I really think could have happened:

30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.

31 And Lot said unto the firstborn, I am old, I have lost your mother and there is not a man in the earth I trust to be with you:

32 Come, let us lie together, that we may preserve seed of mine.

33 And the firstborn went in, and lay with her father;.

34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Lot said unto the younger, Behold, I will go in, and lie with you as I did with your sister, that we may preserve seed of mine.

35 And the younger arose, and lay with him;

36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

So I think Lot raped his daughters, not the other way around.

Has Ayaan Hirsi Ali Lost her Mind?!

Read this:

https://unherd.com/2023/11/why-i-am-now-a-christian/

Why I am now a Christian

Atheism can’t equip us for civilisational war

In 2002, I discovered a 1927 lecture by Bertrand Russell entitled “Why I am Not a Christian”. It did not cross my mind, as I read it, that one day, nearly a century after he delivered it to the South London branch of the National Secular Society, I would be compelled to write an essay with precisely the opposite title.

For the record, here is Russell’s actual lecture:

https://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/whynot.html

Why I Am Not a Christian  (1927)

By Bertrand Russell

As your Chairman has told you, the subject about which I am going to speak to you tonight is ‘Why I am not a Christian’. Perhaps it would be as well, first of all, to try to make out what one means by the word ‘Christian’. It is used these days in a very loose sense by a great many people. Some people mean no more by it than a person who attempts to live a good life. In that sense I suppose there would be Christians in all sects and creeds; but I do not think that that is the proper sense of the word, if only because it would imply that all the people who are not Christians—all the Buddhists, Confucians, Mohammedans [sic] , and so on—are not trying to live a good life. I do not mean by a Christian any person who tries to live decently according to his lights. I think that you must have a certain amount of definite belief before you have a right to call yourself a Christian. The word does not have quite such a full-blooded meaning now as it had in the times of St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas. In those days, if a man said that he was a Christian it was known what he meant. You accepted a whole collection of creeds which were set out with great precision, and every single syllable of those creeds you believed with the whole strength of your convictions.

So immediately Russell does what any person wanting to be fair and accurate would do: give a proper definition of being a Christian believer. He did this to debunk the all too common idea that Christianity = goodness. Christians themselves should appreciate that; I’m sure most of them would object to someone like Carl Sagan being called Christian (he was brought up Jewish, actually) just for being good.

From now on I will put Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s words in purple and Bertrand Russell’s words in red so you can compare them directly. And I will make responses to both as I go. Continuing…..

The year before, I had publicly condemned the terrorist attacks of the 19 men who had hijacked passenger jets and crashed them into the twin towers in New York. They had done it in the name of my religion, Islam. I was a Muslim then, although not a practising one. If I truly condemned their actions, then where did that leave me? The underlying principle that justified the attacks was religious, after all: the idea of Jihad or Holy War against the infidels. Was it possible for me, as for many members of the Muslim community, simply to distance myself from the action and its horrific results?

Of course it is possible! Does the Quran explicitly command the destruction of civilian targets like the World Trade Center? Indeed, why was that targeted at all? The targeting of the Pentagon that same day may have made sense from a military standpoint, but hitting a non-military building is never cool. Her faith in Islam need not have been shaken by such nonsense, really.

At the time, there were many eminent leaders in the West — politicians, scholars, journalists, and other experts — who insisted that the terrorists were motivated by reasons other than the ones they and their leader Osama Bin Laden had articulated so clearly. So Islam had an alibi.

This excuse-making was not only condescending towards Muslims. It also gave many Westerners a chance to retreat into denial. Blaming the errors of US foreign policy was easier than contemplating the possibility that we were confronted with a religious war. We have seen a similar tendency in the past five weeks, as millions of people sympathetic to the plight of Gazans seek to rationalise the October 7 terrorist attacks as a justified response to the policies of the Israeli government.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is actually starting to drop the ball here. I know enough about Islam to recognize that its concept of Jihad (holy war) is always meant to be defensive in nature, never offensive.

Surah 2: The Cow

190 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.

191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

192 But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

193 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.

So the attack against the World Trade Center actually violated what the Quran taught.  In addition to the building complex being peaceful in nature, Muslims could have been working there that day and could have died there.

Plus both Israel and America have committed wrongful acts towards Arabs and Muslims on many occasions.

Israel is a nation of BIGOTRY!

Israel Commits Another War Crime

Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and the USA

The Absurdity of the Iraq War

The fact that not all Muslims are anti-American terrorists and that history is full of examples of Israeli and American acts of aggression justifies the even-handed approach of western journalists and scholars. We shouldn’t be like FOX News, after all.

When I read Russell’s lecture, I found my cognitive dissonance easing. It was a relief to adopt an attitude of scepticism towards religious doctrine, discard my faith in God and declare that no such entity existed. Best of all, I could reject the existence of hell and the danger of everlasting punishment.

Russell’s assertion that religion is based primarily on fear resonated with me. I had lived for too long in terror of all the gruesome punishments that awaited me. While I had abandoned all the rational reasons for believing in God, that irrational fear of hellfire still lingered. Russell’s conclusion thus came as something of a relief: “When I die, I shall rot.”

Let’s see what Russell actually said.

THE ARGUMENT FOR THE REMEDYING OF INJUSTICE

Then there is another very curious form of moral argument, which is this: they say that the existence of God is required in order to bring justice into the world. In the part of this universe that we know there is great injustice, and often the good suffer, and often the wicked prosper, and one hardly knows which of those is the more annoying; but if you are going to have justice in the universe as a whole you have to suppose a future life to redress the balance of life here on earth. So they say that there must be a God, and there must be heaven and hell in order that in the long run there may be justice. That is a very curious argument. If you looked at the matter from a scientific point of view, you would say: ‘After all, I know only this world. I do not know about the rest of the universe, but so far as one can argue at all on probabilities one would say that probably this world is a fair sample, and if there is injustice here the odds are that there is injustice elsewhere also.’ Supposing you got a crate of oranges that you opened, and you found all the top layer of oranges bad, you would not argue: ‘The underneath ones must be good, so as to redress the balance.’ You would say: ‘Probably the whole lot is a bad consignment’; and that is really what a scientific person would argue about the universe. He would say: ‘Here we find in this world a great deal of injustice and so far as that goes that is a reason for supposing that justice does not rule in the world; and therefore so far as it goes it affords a moral argument against deity and not in favour of one.’ Of course I know that the sort of intellectual arguments that I have been talking to you about are not what really moves people. What really moves people to believe in God is not any intellectual argument at all. Most people believe in God because they have been taught from early infancy to do it, and that is the main reason.

Then I think that the next most powerful reason is the wish for safety, a sort of feeling that there is a big brother who will look after you. That plays a very profound part in influencing people’s desire for a belief in God.

Continuing…..

To understand why I became an atheist 20 years ago, you first need to understand the kind of Muslim I had been. I was a teenager when the Muslim Brotherhood penetrated my community in Nairobi, Kenya, in 1985. I don’t think I had even understood religious practice before the coming of the Brotherhood. I had endured the rituals of ablutions, prayers and fasting as tedious and pointless.

The preachers of the Muslim Brotherhood changed this. They articulated a direction: the straight path. A purpose: to work towards admission into Allah’s paradise after death. A method: the Prophet’s instruction manual of do’s and don’ts — the halal and the haram. As a detailed supplement to the Qur’an, the hadeeth spelled out how to put into practice the difference between right and wrong, good and evil, God and the devil.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali then proceeds to detail some of the intolerance that was indoctrinated into her and other Muslims in Africa, including anti-Semitism.

But then we see a wrong turn:

So, what changed? Why do I call myself a Christian now?

Part of the answer is global. Western civilisation is under threat from three different but related forces: the resurgence of great-power authoritarianism and expansionism in the forms of the Chinese Communist Party and Vladimir Putin’s Russia; the rise of global Islamism, which threatens to mobilise a vast population against the West; and the viral spread of woke ideology, which is eating into the moral fibre of the next generation.

The first two are certainly valid concerns. But “woke ideology”? That’s the imaginary target of right-wing bigots, not a threat to people in general, Progressive, liberal, and leftist people do not speak of themselves as having “woke ideology”. That’s almost like calling a person of African descent a “nigger”. Seeing an actual person from Africa use such a bigoted slur is shocking.

But we can’t fight off these formidable forces unless we can answer the question: what is it that unites us? The response that “God is dead!” seems insufficient. So, too, does the attempt to find solace in “the rules-based liberal international order”. The only credible answer, I believe, lies in our desire to uphold the legacy of the Judeo-Christian tradition.

That legacy consists of an elaborate set of ideas and institutions designed to safeguard human life, freedom and dignity — from the nation state and the rule of law to the institutions of science, health and learning. As Tom Holland has shown in his marvellous book Dominion, all sorts of apparently secular freedoms — of the market, of conscience and of the press — find their roots in Christianity.

Is she seriously claiming that non-Christians cannot share in those secular concepts? Or that debunking Christianity automatically debunks those concepts too? That’s quite a stretch!

To me, this freedom of conscience and speech is perhaps the greatest benefit of Western civilisation. It does not come naturally to man. It is the product of centuries of debate within Jewish and Christian communities. It was these debates that advanced science and reason, diminished cruelty, suppressed superstitions, and built institutions to order and protect life, while guaranteeing freedom to as many people as possible. Unlike Islam, Christianity outgrew its dogmatic stage. It became increasingly clear that Christ’s teaching implied not only a circumscribed role for religion as something separate from politics. It also implied compassion for the sinner and humility for the believer.

History has shown that Christians in Europe spent over 1000 years ignoring or rejecting concepts of personal freedom, with kings and emperors ruling over the people and that only the constant threat of violence resulting from the Protestant Reformation and the reactions of the Roman Catholic Church to that finally made European leaders realize that the absolute power of religion needed to be restrained, if not broken completely. Also, her claim that “Christianity outgrew its dogmatic stage” is laughably FALSE! There are plenty of authoritarian cults within Christianity and its many subdivisions. I grew up in one of them. And the aforementioned Catholic Church is highly dogmatic too. 

Yet I would not be truthful if I attributed my embrace of Christianity solely to the realisation that atheism is too weak and divisive a doctrine to fortify us against our menacing foes. I have also turned to Christianity because I ultimately found life without any spiritual solace unendurable — indeed very nearly self-destructive. Atheism failed to answer a simple question: what is the meaning and purpose of life?

If she turned to Christianity because it fit her Spiritual Orientation, so be it. But that doesn’t give her the right to talk down to those that are still atheist and have a different orientation. 

Russell and other activist atheists believed that with the rejection of God we would enter an age of reason and intelligent humanism. But the “God hole” — the void left by the retreat of the church — has merely been filled by a jumble of irrational quasi-religious dogma. The result is a world where modern cults prey on the dislocated masses, offering them spurious reasons for being and action — mostly by engaging in virtue-signalling theatre on behalf of a victimised minority or our supposedly doomed planet. The line often attributed to G.K. Chesterton has turned into a prophecy: “When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”

This simply makes no sense to me at all. After I stopped believing in God, I did not accept things like astrology or homeopathy. I insisted on evidence before accepting anything as true. Ironically, it was when I stopped demanding clear evidence for something and allowed myself to be manipulated emotionally that I converted to the Baha’i Faith, which I would eventually leave. Because of that experience, I think I know what really happened to Ayaan Hirsi Ali. That essay she wrote is a product of her being brainwashed.

We can’t withstand China, Russia and Iran if we can’t explain to our populations why it matters that we do. 

Respect for our common humanity is not enough? It is for me!

We can’t fight woke ideology if we can’t defend the civilisation that it is determined to destroy.

That is (to me, at least) insane. Progressive ideologies seek to improve civilization, not destroy anything. She is afraid of something that is actually harmless.

The lesson I learned from my years with the Muslim Brotherhood was the power of a unifying story, embedded in the foundational texts of Islam, to attract, engage and mobilise the Muslim masses. Unless we offer something as meaningful, I fear the erosion of our civilisation will continue. And fortunately, there is no need to look for some new-age concoction of medication and mindfulness. Christianity has it all.

Actually, that is a delusion, just as bad as that of Muslim bigots. There is no evidence that Christianity is true and indeed Ayaan Hirsi Ali hasn’t provided any. And that’s what should matter, not your misplaced feelings.

So I dismiss her claims for the rubbish it looks like to me.

How Will the Dead be Judged?

One of the teachings of evangelical Christianity is that faith in Jesus as your savior is the only thing that is required to be saved from your sins and go to heaven. This was taught by the Apostle Paul in his writings to the churches he helped found.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%202&version=KJV

Ephesians 2: 8-9

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

But this is contradicted by what the Apostle John wrote in the book of Revelation.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2020&version=KJV

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

1And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

And Jesus himself said:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207&version=KJV

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Considering that Jesus was the one that founded the Christian religion, and John was a disciple of his from the start, it is clear that Paul, who only claimed to be an Apostle long after the time of Jesus, was a false teacher. He never should have been accepted as a legitimate Christian!

And yet he was able to corrupt the New Testament, and then all of Christianity itself, forever!

Danny Bastardson and his Idiotic Defenders

Read this:

https://apnews.com/article/danny-masterson-sentencing-rape-trial-fd7a10eda44d0e3ddde582d4c7053eb6

‘That ’70s Show’ actor Danny Masterson gets 30 years to life in prison for rapes of 2 women

LOS ANGELES (AP) — A judge sentenced “That ’70s Show” show star Danny Masterson to 30 years to life in prison Thursday for raping two women, giving them some relief after they spoke in court about the decades of damage he inflicted.

“When you raped me, you stole from me,” said one woman who Masterson was convicted of raping in 2003. “That’s what rape is, a theft of the spirit.”

“You are pathetic, disturbed and completely violent,” she said. “The world is better off with you in prison.”

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Charlaine F. Olmedo handed down the sentence to the 47-year-old Masterson after hearing statements from the women, and pleas for fairness from defense attorneys.

The actor, who has been in custody since May, sat in court wearing a suit. Masterson watched the women without visible reaction as they spoke. He maintains his innocence and his attorneys plan to appeal.

The other woman Masterson was found guilty of raping said he “has not shown an ounce of remorse for the pain he caused.” She told the judge, “I knew he belonged behind bars for the safety of all the women he came into contact with. I am so sorry, and I’m so upset. I wish I’d reported him sooner to the police.”

After an initial jury failed to reach verdicts on three counts of rape in December and a mistrial was declared, prosecutors retried Masterson on all three counts earlier this year.

Masterson waived his right to speak before he was sentenced and had no visible reaction after the judge’s decision, nor did the many family members sitting beside him. His wife, actor Bijou Phillips, was tearful earlier in the hearing.

At his second trial, a jury found Masterson guilty of two of three rape counts on May 31. Both attacks took place in Masterson’s Hollywood-area home in 2003, when he was at the height of his fame on the Fox network sitcom “That ’70s Show.”

They could not reach a verdict on the third count, an allegation that Masterson also raped a longtime girlfriend.

The judge sentenced the actor after rejecting a defense motion for a new trial that was argued earlier Thursday. The sentence was the maximum allowed by law. It means Masterson will be eligible for parole after serving 25 1/2 years, but can be held in prison for life.

“I know that you’re sitting here steadfast in your claims of innocence, and thus no doubt feeling victimized by a justice system that has failed you,” Olmedo told Masterson before handing down the sentence. “But Mr. Masterson, you are not the victim here. Your actions 20 years ago took away another person’s voice, and choice. One way or another you will have to come to terms with your prior actions, and their consequences.”

The defense sought to have sentences for the two convictions run simultaneously, and asked for a sentence of 15 years to life. The prosecution asked for the full 30 years to life sentence Masterson was eligible for.

“It’s his life that will be impacted by what you decide today,” Masterson’s lawyer Shawn Holley told the judge before the sentencing. “And the life of his 9-year-old daughter, who means the world to him, and to whom he means the world.”

After the hearing, Holley said in a statement that “Mr. Masterson did not commit the crimes for which he was convicted.” She said a team of appellate lawyers has identified “a number of significant evidentiary and constitutional issues” with his convictions, which they are confident will be overturned.

Prosecutors alleged that Masterson used his prominence in the Church of Scientology — where all three women were also members at the time — to avoid consequences for decades after the attacks, and the women blamed the church for their hesitancy in going to police about Masterson.

At the sentencing hearing, one of the women, who like Masterson was born into the church, said she was shunned and ostracized for going to authorities in 2004.

“I lost everything. I lost my religion. I lost my ability to contact anyone I’d known or loved my entire life,” she said. “I didn’t exist outside the Scientology world. I had to start my life all over at 29. It seemed the world I knew didn’t want me to live.”

The church said in a statement after the trial that it has “no policy prohibiting or discouraging members from reporting criminal conduct of anyone — Scientologists or not — to law enforcement.” It has also denied ever harassing any of the women.

No charges came from the woman’s 2004 police report, but she returned to authorities when she learned they were investigating Masterson again in 2016. The other two women had waited more than 15 years before reporting him to anyone other than church officials.

The women testified at both trials that in 2003, they were at Masterson’s home when he drugged them before violently raping them.

They said Thursday that the trauma plagued them for the decades that followed, hurting their relationships and filling their lives with fear. But they said his sentencing gave them some relief.

“I don’t have to carry your shame around with me anymore,” the first woman who spoke said. “Now you have to hold that shame. You have to sit in a cell and hold it.”

Masterson starred with Ashton Kutcher, Mila Kunis and Topher Grace in “That ’70s Show” from 1998 until 2006.

He had reunited with Kutcher on the 2016 Netflix comedy “The Ranch,” but was written off the show when the Los Angeles Police Department investigation was revealed the following year.

While that investigation began before a wave of women shook Hollywood with stories about Harvey Weinstein in October 2017, the conviction and sentencing of Masterson still represents a major #MeToo era success for Los Angeles prosecutors, along with the conviction of Weinstein himself last year.

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  1. I’ve never watched “That 70’s Show” so I knew nothing about Masterson before his rape trial. To me, he was just another Hollowierd idiot.
  2. That Masterson is a Scientologist, as were his victims, does not surprize me. After all, cults like that rape people’s minds, why not their bodies too?

That’s bad. But this is WORSE:

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/ashton-kutcher-mila-kunis-wrote-letters-in-support-of-danny-masterson/

Ashton Kutcher, Mila Kunis wrote letters in support of Danny Masterson

Actors Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis wrote letters to a judge saying they considered fellow “That ’70s Show” actor Danny Masterson a “role model” before he was sentenced Thursday to 30 years to life in state prison for raping two women at his Hollywood Hills home about two decades ago.

Kutcher and his wife, Kunis, who also appeared on “That ’70s Show” with Masterson between 1998 and 2006, each credited Masterson for his commitment to his wife and daughter and for discouraging the use of drugs.

Kutcher wrote in a letter to Superior Court Judge Charlaine F. Olmedo that he was 20 when he met Masterson in 1998 and “he instantly became a friend, dedicated co-worker, and role model to me. And has remained as such for 25 years.”

Kutcher wrote in the letter that Masterson is “an extraordinarily honest and intentional human being,” that the two spent hundreds of hours working together and “set an extraordinary standard around how you treat other people.”

He wrote that he and Masterson, the father of a 9-year-old daughter with actress-wife Bijou Phillips Masterson, “have spent countless hours together with our kids and he is among few people that I would trust to be alone with my son and daughter.”

“While I’m aware that the judgment has been cast as guilty on two counts of rape by force and fear and the victims have a great desire for justice, I hope that my testament to his character is taken into consideration in sentencing. I do not believe he is an ongoing harm to society and having his daughter raised without a present father would (be) a tertiary injustice in and of itself.”

In her letter to the judge, Kunis wrote that she “could sense his innate goodness and genuine nature” from the very beginning after meeting him and that he has “proven to be an amazing friend, confidant, and, above all, an outstanding older brother figure to me.”

“I wholeheartedly vouch for Danny Masterson’s exceptional character and the tremendous positive influence he has had on me and the people around him. His dedication to leading a drug-free life and the genuine care he extends to others make him an outstanding role model and friend,” wrote Kunis.

Also writing letters in support of Masterson were fellow “That ’70s  Show” co-stars Debra Jo Rupp and Kurtwood Smith. Other celebrities also wrote letters about Masterson, including actor Giovanni Ribisi and Masterson’s brother-in-law, actor Billy Baldwin.

During Masterson’s sentencing hearing Thursday, the judge noted that she had received a number of letters on behalf of Masterson and had read all of them.

The judge told the 47-year-old actor shortly before imposing the sentence that she knew that he was “sitting here steadfastly on your claims of innocence.”

“Mr. Masterson, you are not the victim here,” the judge said, telling him that his actions had taken away another person’s voice and choice and that the victims each reported the rapes to someone shortly afterward.

3. WHAT IDIOCY! That’s an example of the “Daddy never raped me” defense. If you rape ANYONE, it does not matter how nice you were to others!

Next:

4. This shit reminds me of another case of a questionable person supporting a known criminal: https://dalehusband.com/2014/09/11/michael-shermer-traitor/    I eventually learned enough disgusting things about Shermer that I put him on my “Enemies of Truth and Justice” list. He is a fraud and maybe Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis are too. I think if you defend a rapist, you might as well be one!

5. To put it bluntly, all the references to Masterson being anti-drug mean NOTHING to me, but are purely a result of most Americans being brainwashed about how “evil” certain drugs are. People who take drugs are only damaging themselves, and people who deal drugs are taking part in a market of willing sellers and willing buyers, which is actually the essence of capitalism. RAPISTS, on the other hand, damage OTHERS! So Masterson is worse than a drug dealer!

And finally:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ashton-kutcher-resigns-anti-child-trafficking-nonprofit-danny-masterson-character-letter-mila-kunis/

Ashton Kutcher resigns from anti-child trafficking nonprofit over Danny Masterson character letter

Actor Ashton Kutcher has stepped down as board chair of an anti-child trafficking group that he co-founded in the wake of criticism he received over a letter of support he penned on behalf of his former “That ’70s Show” co-star Danny Masterson following Masterson’s criminal conviction for raping two women.

In a resignation letter posted on the website of the group Thorn, Kutcher wrote that he “cannot allow my error in judgment to distract from our efforts and the children we serve.”

In June, the 43-year-old Masterson was found guilty of raping two women at his Hollywood Hills home in the early 2000s.

Both Kutcher and his wife Mila Kunis, who also starred on the popular sitcom, were among dozens of colleagues, relatives and friends who wrote letters of support to a Los Angeles County judge ahead of Masterson’s sentencing hearing last week asking for leniency.

Despite the letters, Masterson was sentenced to 30 years to life in prison, the maximum allowable under the law.

In his letter to L.A. County Superior Court Judge Charlaine F. Olmedo, Kutcher called Masterson a “role model” and “an extraordinarily honest and intentional human being” who “set an extraordinary standard around how you treat other people.”

Kutcher also wrote that he believes Masterson is not an ongoing harm to society and that the accused actor is one of the few people he would trust to be alone with his children.

Following significant backlash, Kutcher and Kunis posted a video to social media in which they said they did not mean to discount the trauma and experiences of Masterson’s victims.

“The letters were not written to question the legitimacy of the judicial system or the validity of the jury’s ruling,” Kunis said. “We support victims.”

In his resignation letter Thursday, Kutcher wrote that he came to the decision to resign after he and Kunis “spent several days of listening, personal reflection, learning, and conversations with survivors and the employees and leadership at Thorn.”

He went on to give a “heartfelt apology to all victims of sexual violence and everyone at Thorn who I hurt by what I did.”

Kutcher, Kunis and Masterson co-starred on “That ’70s Show” from 1998 to 2006. Masterson later starred with Kutcher in the Netflix comedy series “The Ranch,” which ran for four seasons from 2016 to 2020. However, Masterson only appeared in the first three seasons and was fired from the show in December 2017 after the rape allegations surfaced. 

6. Yeah, I’m glad you resigned because if you hadn’t, you should have been FIRED! I don’t want creeps like you and your wife around kids or advocating for victims of sexual abuse at all. Credibility is everything to such groups….and you clearly have none!

7. And I hope you idiots never get another acting job as well!

Fuck Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis!!!

More Gaslighting from Wahid Azal and his Sidekick, Stephen Beyer

After I posted my last blog entry, I got this comment on it.

Another unfair suspension from reddit!

stephan paul beyer says:
 
 
I addressed this nonsense directly
 
Look, Stephen…..you and Wahid are the ones who live constantly in your delusional fantasy world (and I’m not just referring to your being Bayanis or others being Baha’is; I don’t care that much about PRIVATE religious beliefs as long as you LEAVE OTHERS THE HELL ALONE). Wahid was expelled from r/exbahai after he exposed himself (no pun intended) as far more of a liability than an asset to the exBaha’i cause. Credibility is everything to me and it is obvious to me that Wahid constantly makes up tons of totally baseless SHIT to get attention to himself, regardless of the damage he does to others or even himself! We simply can’t have people like him who constantly engage in slander, libel, defamation and misrepresentation of me, the other mods of r/exbahai, or others. Because if we tolerate that……then we only give support to Baha’is who claim we of r/exbahai spread “misinformation” about their Faith…..because that’s exactly what Wahid does for real! Since you keep supporting him, you are no better than him and you deserve the same fate as him. Goodbye and good riddance!
 
Making cheap shots at my creations is no way to have a discussion about them, asshole! You don’t even bother linking to the specific videos you refer to, so FUK OFF!
 
And then I banned him.
 
Shortly after that, he and Wahid teamed up to defame me again. And in doing so, Wahid exposed his own ignorance about my past dealings with assholes like him on the internet.
 
 

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does anyone want to tell him?

Seeker_Alpha1701 via r/exbahai sent 2 months ago

show parent

this is like claiming Muhammad claimed to be Gabriel or Allah because The Prophet quotes what they say.

You’ve never read the Quran, have you? Can you show us where Muhammad said, “I am Allah” ?

No, you can’t because the very idea of anyone, even a Messenger of God, claiming to be one with God himself is completely against Islam. That’s an idea that came from (the Trinitarian version of) Christianity. No wonder u/investigator919 thought you were arguing in bad faith (pun intended) and banned you!

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i mean i cant read arabic. i can only read translations. so he is correct that i have never read the quran. but its pretty clear he did not comprehend whatever he thought he read. and perhaps only read commentary dismissing islam as a fundamentalist religion. he is so clueless that it hurts to even try to understand his viewpoint to refute it.

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The Qurʾān generally styles itself as divine speech by employing the first person singular or plural (“I” or “we”) in statements that clearly refer to the Deity. However, this divine voice alternates with third-person statements about God. Utterances by Muhammad are normally introduced by the command “Say:…,” thus emphasizing that the Prophet is speaking on divine injunction only. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Quran
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Gomer’s IR handlers have convinced him that theopathic claims are somehow unique to Babism and bahaism when it is actually at the core foundation of Islam itself, arguably expressly articulated within the Quran, and specifically and especially in Shiism, not to mention Sufism. These handlers are already bad faith actors misleading everyone as to their true agenda, but with Gomer they have so led him down the garden path in unbelievable ways that every time he puts finger to keyboard he reveals a little more of his ignorance. The fact that he comes from a Southern Baptist Protestant background doesn’t help matters either.

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https://dalehusband.com/enemies-of-truth-and-justice/ how do i get on this list? i want to be an enemy of what he considers to be truth and what he considers justice. . .

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We’ve already made it on his list. Look at the bottom. The guy is so obsessed and unhinged he is doing us the service with his published rants. I’ve actually had people come to me after encountering his blog and tell me Dale is our best promoter yet, since there is no publicity like bad publicity, and once people carefully look at his rants and conniptions it just proves the opposite of what he says and gives us the credibility instead. So as the great Persian saying has it, “the enemy shall be the cause of good,”

عدو سبب خير شود

Furthermore, since Gomer is a terrible student of history, if he had only bothered to research a little bit about other individuals who have entangled with me on the same level as he has – like Paul Andrew Hammond once did – he would quickly discover that it never ends well for them. But he can’t believe that and has never encountered something like me before, so his obsessive-compulsion born from utter frustration just augments and accentuates from one day to the next and thereby plays into my hands until one fine day – just like Hammond before him – his balloon of hot air pops with a bang and permanently puts him in his place! I suspect this may have already happened to DBO on some level as well since he is hardly here anymore.

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Wow! Where do I start?

First, I have seen enough episodes of the YouTube channel Apple Texts and other such related channels over the past year to know that such blatant lies those two are telling about me, my blog and Islam must be rejected for the gaslighting they are. There is NO case in Islam of any genuine Prophet of God identifying himself as being the same as Allah’s essence. That is the very definition of blasphemy. Just because the early Christians came up with the Trinity to depict Jesus as being the same as “God the Son” doesn’t make it acceptable in any other religion. Islam explicitly rejects the Trinity and the Deity of Jesus or any other Messenger of God, full stop! Even the term “Manifestation of God” used by Baha’is to refer to Baha’u’llah, Jesus, Muhammad and other Messengers of God is foreign to Islam. Even as an atheist, I have enough respect for Islam not to misrepresent the religion and its teachings about Allah and His Messengers. Note that Wahid never showed a direct quote from the Quran to support his lies. 

Second, I have indeed dealt with narcissists, abusers and pathological liars like Wahid Azal before. I have seen the incredible amount of damage they can do if left unchecked, so maybe that explains my “obsession” with Wahid Azal now. 

Many years ago, I was a member of a web community called Care2, which was made to provide a place for liberals, progressives, and environmentalists to gather together and coordinate their efforts for their chosen causes. Sadly, many right-wingers, conservatives, and others opposed to liberals invaded that community and disrupted it over the years, claiming they were promoters of “free speech”. And the ringleader of those attackers was Jeffery Williams, who was almost exactly like Donald Trump in that he was narcissistic, arrogant and totally dishonest and treacherous. And he was also an ATHEIST. Williams finally was banned from Care2 and is now in prison for abusing homeless men for perverted entertainment purposes, but the damage to Care2 as a social site was already done.
 
Which eventually led to this:

And what happened to Jeffery Williams eventually?

https://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/two-to-be-sentenced-in-shefightsnet-fetish-beating-videos/2176069/

A judge gave prison sentences on Monday to two people behind an internet fetish video that showed a mentally disabled man being kicked and beaten.

Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge Keith Meyer sentenced Shefights.net producer and entrepreneur Jeffery Williams, 61, to seven years in prison. He gave performer Zuzu Vargo, 27, roughly three years in prison, plus three years’ probation.

Both defendants apologized in court. Vargo, in tears, said she did not know the man she was punching and kicking in the video was mentally impaired. She said others checked the men out before making the videos.

But, she said, “I shouldn’t have trusted the judgment of someone else. … I’m so sorry for all the trauma and distress.”

Williams also professed ignorance to the victim’s mental condition and said it was a key principle within the bondage-sadomasochism community that nobody inflicts more pain than a person wants to receive.

“We’re not in the business of hurting people … we’re in the business of a fantasy enactment for a certain subset of the population.” Williams added that, “I deeply regret the pain and the anguish that we caused.”

But Assistant State Attorney Susan St. John said the victim’s mental condition would have been obvious to Williams and Vargo. As an example of his functioning, she quoted the man’s explanation for why he’s scared of police: “Because they have guns and hats.”

Judge Meyer also said it was clear the man had a disability. According to evidence presented in court, the man was schizophrenic and off his medicine. He had left his group home, gotten lost for a month, stayed around Williams Park in St. Petersburg and eventually got recruited to appear in the Shefights video for about $50.

“I find it completely incredible that you would not have picked up within the first few seconds … how substantially he was impaired,” Meyer said.

And that, he said, made it a crime. He said if the victim had been a consenting adult, “we wouldn’t even be here today. Because people get to do what they want in this country.”

“I’m not passing judgment on your lifestyle one bit,” he added.

Vargo’s attorney Daniel Hernandez asked for a sentence below state guidelines, saying she had a dual diagnosis of substance abuse problems and mental health issues such as post-traumatic stress disorder and depression.

Meyer would not go below the guidelines but gave her less time than Williams: slightly more than three years in prison, plus three years of probation. During her probation, she must get mental health treatment.

The victim was not in court.

Prosecutors on Monday showed the video, although the judge already had seen it. The victim groaned and grunted as Vargo punched him in the ribs and face. He fell to the ground and she punched him more. She kicked him as well.

The sentencing on Monday follows a trial in December in which Williams and Vargo were convicted of aggravated abuse of a disabled adult, a first-degree felony with a maximum sentence of 30 years in prison. The sentencing completes that case, but it’s not the end for the two. They both face similar charges in a separate, pending case with a different victim.

And of course, there is the case of Donald Trump, who, along with many others, have finally been indicted for their crimes against America. His Presidency did a lot of damage to this country and its people, because of his own bigotries and of those who supported him. And he belongs in prison and certainly not in the White House ever again!

And what about yet another narcissist who has done incredible amounts of damage to others, iilluminaughtii? Like Azal, she constantly represents herself as an activist against corruption and for justice. But she is corrupt herself. Like Azal, she is a planet-sized hypocrite. I am not afraid of Trump, Jeffery Williams, iilluminaughtii, or Wahid Azal. They ALL should be stubbornly opposed by people who know what they have done and can do.

Finally, I googled the name “Paul Andrew Hammond” and found listings that say he died in December 2022. He was also listed as a police detective in San Antonio, Texas. Wahid Azal claimed he was a child pornographer about 14 years ago. How convenient for Azal that he can gloat over defeating this man now that he is dead, eh?  #coward

But I’m still alive and as long as I live, I will hold that monster and his idiot followers accountable for their bullshit. That’s what an ethical person does, period.

A Case of Cognitive Dissonance from a Plotagonist

Take a look at this YouTube video:

It was made by a user known as BizarreFrog. This is his YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@BizarreFrog

Indeed, most Plotagonists I know are fully supportive of LGBT rights, which is what Pride Month is all about.

And yet the very next video on his channel is THIS:

So he is a Mormon. Does he not know what his religion teaches?

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/official-statement/same-gender-attraction

Feelings of same-sex attraction are not a sin. President M. Russell Ballard said: “Let us be clear: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes that ‘the experience of same-sex attraction is a complex reality for many people. The attraction itself is not a sin, but acting on it is. Even though individuals do not choose to have such attractions, they do choose how to respond to them. With love and understanding, the Church reaches out to all God’s children, including [those with same-sex attraction].’”

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So the standard is for gays and lesbians to be celibate, not to engage in any sexual behavior that fits their orientation. To me, that is profoundly insulting. You might as well demand a person starve themself to death.

The Roman Catholic Church has required that all its clergy be celibate. Is it a coincidence that it is also notorious for that same clergy sexually abusing children and trying for so long to cover it up? It seems to me that when you try to suppress for too long natural sexual urges, it eventually comes out in destructive ways. It also breeds hypocrisy like rabbits.

Straight people have the option of marriage, so why not LGBT people? Then they would be equal in the sight of God. Denying LGBT people marriage as an option is by definition treating them as lesser beings. So don’t talk to me about treating them with “kindness, compassion and understanding.” That’s clearly a lie!

And this argument is just insulting to my intelligence:

Mormon

No, what is horrid is misrepresenting your own religion to make it look better than it really is.

There are over 270,000 people in this subreddit who would likely argue that Mormonism IS a cult and Mormons ARE brainwashed, because they were members and left it, so they would know!

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/

Discussions about the matter of LGBT people in Mormonism include:

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I hope BizarreFrog someday grows up and investigates the truth about his religion, realizing how horrible it is. Not only for being homophobic, but also being racist and sexist too. And basing its teachings on a book that is totally filled with bullshit.

The Book of Mormon is a P.O.S.

And there is the case of Mormon leaders manipulating poor people into destroying themselves financially, which should be consider a CRIME against humanity!

Mormon leaders need to STFU about tithing!

Mormons as PEOPLE shouldn’t be mocked, but MORMONISM should absolutely be condemned as the repressive cult of lies it is!

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What Actually Motivated the Bab and Baha’u’llah?

Christianity is well known for its emphasis on the expectation of the Return of Christ to set up the Kingdom of God on Earth. What’s not so well known is that Shia, a branch of Islam, has similar expectations regarding the Imam Mahdi, also known as the 12th Imam or the Hidden Imam. In reddit, a Muslim said the following:

investigator919

I’ll just say one thing: When Imam Mahdi comes he will establish peace and justice once and for all. He will not change Islam and he will not bring a new religion.

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But that very assumption means that it is possible that as thousands of years continue to come and go, the Muslim population may gradually come to the conclusion that the expectation of Imam Mahdi to come is unrealistic and that Islam is not a true religion after all.

That seems to be an issue Baha’u’llah, the founder of the Baha’i Faith, was aware of.

https://bahai-library.com/writings/bahaullah/gwb/099.html

The vitality of men’s belief in God is dying out in every land; nothing short of His wholesome medicine can ever restore it. The corrosion of ungodliness is eating into the vitals of human society; what else but the Elixir of His potent Revelation can cleanse and revive it?

Could this loss of belief in God be a direct result of the prophecies of the return of Christ or of Imam Mahdi never coming to pass?

Why the Rapture is a bogus concept

A Critical Analysis of the Epistle of 2 Peter

We can understand that there was an actual time limit for the return of Jesus:

Matthew 16:28 King James Version (KJV)

Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

So Jesus should have returned by about 100 AD or so. Maybe AD 150 at the very latest. He didn’t, so:

Deuteronomy 18:22 King James Version (KJV)

 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

But the Quran clearly defines Jesus as a prophet of God. If Jesus failed to return in the time limit he himself gave, then according to Moses, he did not speak for God. If Jesus was false, so was Muhammad. If Muhammad was false, so were the Imams of Shia. So we shouldn’t expect the Imam Mahdi to ever return either. And since Baha’u’llah affirmed both Jesus and Muhammad as Prophets of God, he too is not one himself.

So where does that leave the Bab and Baha’u’llah? Well, the Bab claimed to be the Imam Mahdi, yet he was killed by a firing squad on July 9, 1850, thus failing to fulfil the promises of the Shias. And Baha’u’llah was said to be the return of Christ, but that seems illogical given the time limit Jesus gave. The Muslims, the Babis, and the Baha’is only seem to have credible faiths when you fail to remember that time limit for the return of Christ.

If you are ignorant of what Jesus REALLY taught (and failed to fulfil), you can be a sucker for anything. So to sum up:

  1. Jesus will never return.
  2. The Imam Mahdi will never return
  3. There is no religion after Judaism that is true.
  4. The desperate attempt by Baha’u’llah to stop the spread of atheism was pointless. Atheism is not a bad thing.

And those are my conclusions.

Wahid Azal Goes on Another Childish Rampage

It’s been known for years that both DavidBinOwen and Wahid Azal have been “ban evaders” in reddit, meaning they would create many sockpuppet accounts to try to infiltrate and disrupt the discussions in r/exbahai long after they were banned from it. These have been documented on the following blog entries:

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Baha’i Elections are a Total Sham

First, read this blog entry:

The Universal House of the International Teaching Center of Justice

And here is a report on how elections work at the national level.

https://news.bahai.org/story/1675/

National Bahá’í Conventions: A unique electoral process

June 7, 2023

BAHÁ’Í WORLD CENTRE — The past weeks have seen Bahá’í communities around the globe elect their national governing councils—known as National Spiritual Assemblies. The series of annual conventions will conclude with Guam, where Typhoon Mawar has caused some delay.

National conventions bring together delegates who have earlier been elected in district or “unit” conventions across the country. National conventions provide an opportunity for delegates, from each unit, to carry out their sacred responsibility of voting for the members of the National Assembly in a joyful and spiritual atmosphere.

The election of the National Assembly follows the basic Bahá’í electoral procedures: there is no nomination or campaigning, secret ballots are used, electors consider moral character and capability, and those women and men who receive the most votes are elected.

There are also consultations among the delegates, who explore insights from Bahá’í endeavors toward social transformation at the local, regional, and national level. These endeavors involve educational programs that build capacity for community-building, as well as social action, and participation in societal discourses.

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Also, watch these videos:

Because there are not nominations or campaigning, it is impossible for others to openly challenge the leadership and demand change. Incumbents are virtually guaranteed to win. And that means the leadership can pretty much do whatever the hell they want, regardless of the actual needs of the people.

A perfect example is this:

The Desperation of the Baha’is as the 100th Anniversary of the Death of Abdu’l-Baha Approaches

Who the fuk asked for this?!

And they paid for their hubris too!

Abdu’l-Baha’s Shrine Burns to the Ground

Then there was this incident in Italy:

Whitewashing corruption among Italian Baha’is

 

Note this also:

National conventions bring together delegates who have earlier been elected in district or “unit” conventions across the country.

Is that how ALL national Baha’i elections are run? Especially large Baha’i communities might have to elect delegates from districts, but for tiny Baha’i communities on islands or other small nations or divisions within nations, they could just have members of Local Spiritual Assemblies or even the entire community membership do the electing. The results would likely be the same.

If you look at the events being depicted, it looks like they are joyful, profoundly spiritual matters. But a process that enables corruption and chokes off debate and real chances for change is hardly worth doing.

 

Pat Robertson is Dead….but he Lived to age 93, Dammit!

I think Rebecca Watson said it best, so I will allow her to speak for me here:

Reactions on reddit are as follows:

 

 

 

I hope his influence dies with him!

Will the Unitarian Universalist Association Split Completely?

I just bought a book titled “A Gadfly Report”, written by retired UU minister Dennis McCarty, who has written many other books in the past. It is a critical analysis of the “Gadflies”, the infamous faction among UUs who reject the efforts to eliminate White Supremacy Culture among UUs.

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The book is being sold here:

And here is McCarty’s own account in Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/dennis.mccarty.90

At one point, McCarty mentions that Todd Eklof has founded a new group, called the North American Unitarian Association. So I looked it up.

https://naunitarians.org/

And found this list:

https://naunitarians.org/about/

Current Board: The founding NAUA members have elected a provisional Board of Directors. A new Board will be elected at the first Annual General Meeting.

  • President: Rev.  Dr. Todd Eklof, Spokane WA.
  • Vice President: TBD
  • Treasurer: Lynn Jinishian, Spokane WA.
  • Secretary: Frank Casper, Atlanta GA
  • Directors at Large:
    • Ron Strange, Port Townsend WA
    • Terry Anderson, PhD, Edmonton AB
    • Candace Schmidt, Spokane WA
    • Richard Gammon, Spokane WA
    • Robert Jinishian, Spokane, WA
    • Mike Long, Charlotte, NC

Note the large number of leading members from Spokane, WA, which is Todd Eklof’s base of operations. Clearly, this is little more than a fan club of his. Including Frank Casper, who I have seen in Facebook. After seeing how arrogant he is, I blocked him in disgust.

Because of the decentralized and libertarian nature of the UUA, these people cannot be excommunicated from the Unitarian Universalist movement, but it is clear they want to create an outright split among UUs. After all, Todd Eklof himself said so, even titling a chapter in one of his books “I WANT A DIVORCE”.

I have written about this matter before:

Reopening Old Wounds Among Unitarian Universalists

A Debate in the UU Subreddit Over the 2017 Hiring Controversy

Another Fight in Reddit Over Rev. Todd Eklof’s Publicity Stunt of 2019

Another call for Unitarian Universalists to stop fighting for consistent racial justice

Reading and Reacting to “The Gadfly Molehill”

Too many people seem to have become UUs, ironically, out of an elitist desire to reject and scorn religious fundamentalism, not a desire to improve themselves and their society for the good of all. But religious fundamentalism is itself a form of bigotry. Why abandon one form while clinging to others?

McCarty’s new book should put the final nail in the coffin of Todd Eklof’s credibility. He is a TRAITOR and should be rejected by all those loyal to the principles of Unitarian Universalism. He came from the Southern Baptist Convention…..and in my mind, he still belongs there, not among UUs!

From “I Kissed Dating Goodbye” to [[I Kissed Christianity Goodbye]]

Read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Kissed_Dating_Goodbye

I Kissed Dating Goodbye is a 1997 book by Joshua Harris. The book focuses on Harris’ disenchantment with the contemporary secular dating scene, and offers ideas for improvement, alternative dating/courting practices, and a view that singleness need not be a burden nor characterized by what Harris describes as “selfishness”.

By the late 2010s, Harris reconsidered his view that dating should be avoided, apologizing to those whose lives were negatively impacted by the book and directing the book’s publisher to discontinue its publication.[1][2]

In I Kissed Dating Goodbye, Harris popularized the concept of “courting” as an alternative to mainstream dating. In so doing, he raised discussion regarding the appropriateness of his proposed solutions, as well as the foundations on which he based his reasoning.

According to Harris, people in dating relationships put up a façade in an attempt to appear to be what the other person wants, thus hampering the “getting to know you” part of dating. Harris said that it is more appropriate and healthier in the long run to participate in “group dates” in order to truly understand the way a particular person interacts with others; in a group setting, a person is less likely to be able to maintain a façade. Harris proposed a system of courtship that involved the parents of both parties to a greater degree than is usual in conventional dating. In an interview with Family Christian Stores, Harris indicated that “people have taken the message of I Kissed Dating Goodbye and made it something legalistic – a set of rules. That’s something that’s beyond my control, and it’s disappointing at times…”[3]

The book has been cited as an example of belief in ‘benevolent sexism’ and ‘women as property’[5] as well as promoting ‘rape supportive messaging’[6] and ‘sexual purity teachings’ that emphasize a ‘hierarchical father-daughter relationship’ and reduces the agency of adolescent girls.[7]

Christian psychologists Henry Cloud and John Townsend suggest that avoiding dating in order to avoid suffering, as Harris advises, causes those who do so to forgo opportunities to mature, especially through learning how to create healthy boundaries.[12]

In 2016, Harris appeared to be reconsidering the claims that he had made in the book and apologized to several who publicly communicated how the book had influenced them to stay single or had been used by adults to impose stringent rules on them.[13][14]

During a 2017 TED talk, Harris said his greatest regret about the book was him transferring his fears into the book. He said: “Fear is never a good motive. Fear of messing up, fear of getting your heart broken, fear of hurting somebody else, fear of sex… There are clear things in statements in Scripture about our sexuality being expressed within the covenant of marriage. But that doesn’t mean that dating is somehow wrong or a certain way of dating is the only way to do things. I think that’s where people get into danger. We have God’s word, but then it’s so easy to add all this other stuff to protect people, to control people, to make sure that you don’t get anywhere near that place where you could go off course. And I think that’s where the problems arise.”[15]

And also….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Harris_(author)

In 1997, Harris moved from Oregon to Gaithersburg, Maryland to be a pastoral intern.[10][11] There, “C. J. Mahaney, a charismatic Calvinist and founding pastor of megachurch Covenant Life Church, took Harris under his wing and groomed him to take over the church.”[12] Harris was lead pastor of Covenant Life Church from 2004 until 2015.[13][6] Harris assumed the role of senior pastor at Covenant Life Church at the age of 30.[10] In January 2015, he resigned from that role due to a desire to broaden his views and connect to other parts of Christianity. In an interview, Harris said the isolation of Covenant Life, and of a small cluster of churches of which it was a part, may have fed leadership mistakes, including the decision of pastors — himself among them — to handle a child sexual abuse case internally instead of going to police.[6]

In 2016, Harris stated that he was reconsidering the content of I Kissed Dating Goodbye[15] and apologized to people who said that they had been hurt by its teachings.[16][15] In 2018, Harris disavowed I Kissed Dating Goodbye and discontinued its publication.[17] His publishers agreed that I Kissed Dating Goodbye and two other follow-up books would not be reprinted once the current stock was depleted.[18][19] Harris appeared in a documentary film called I Survived I Kissed Dating Goodbye, where he spoke to people who were critical of the book.[20][21]

In July 2019, Harris announced that he and his wife were separating due to “significant changes [that] have taken place in both of us”.[22][23] Subsequently, Harris revealed that he no longer considered himself a Christian and his wife began pursuing a career as a singer-songwriter under the name Shannon Bonne.[24][25][26] In addition to his previously discontinued books, with Harris’s announcement of his loss of faith, the documentary film lost its distributor due to the negative reaction from the Christian market.[27]

My guess is that his extremist views on sexuality, often called “purity culture” were so tied up with his Christian views that when he realized purity culture was bullshit, it also caused his faith to be destroyed as well. That’s what often happens to people with extreme religious views of any kind that don’t measure up to reality at all.

To illustrate the stupidity of purity culture, which is by nature sexist and unrealistic in its expectations of young people, I made this:

And I am confident that it will stand up to reality far better than Harris’ stupid book……or even his former religion!

A discussion about the Baha’i Faith in r/exchristian

As both an ex-Christian and an ex-Baha’i, I have been active in subreddits that reflect my background and interests.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exchristian/

https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/

Here’s a discussion in one subreddit I took part in:

 
Humanist, UU, Ex-Baptist & Ex-Baha’i
 
The ONLY reason I was ever homophobic was because of my being raised Baptist and later being a Baha’i. Once I stopped believing in the idea of infallible God-centered religions, I dropped my bigotry against LGBT people. I accepted that the founders and writers of most great religions knew nothing about sexual matters.
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Oh how interesting! May I ask what enticed you to become Baha’i?
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So here I was making a casual reference to one of my past religions and apparently this other person had never heard of it, so I had to explain to them what it was about.
 
 
Humanist, UU, Ex-Baptist & Ex-Baha’i
My assumption that if there was a God, then logically I needed to find the most recent religion founded in his name instead of following an older one. One should know the will of God for this age, right? 
Once I realized that the Baha’i Faith was no better than Christianity, I gave up on belief in God completely. I am atheist now.

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That’s so interesting to me because I often hear the opposite claim. That we should go to the oldest religion as its the most true. I’ve met Christians who legitimately believed Christianity was the first religion. Then there’s Islam that claims all the prophets of other religions were actually Muslims whose words got corrupted over time + we are all born Muslims. I’ve never seen someone contemplate the opposite before.
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I thought, “In what universe does that make even a little bit of sense???”
 
Humanist, UU, Ex-Baptist & Ex-Baha’i
False dogmas and mistaken assumptions are common among older faiths. That’s how they sell themselves.
Following an older religion is like trying to work as a mechanic on a 2015 Ford car using a guide of a 1956 Ford car.

For the record, I drive a 2015 Ford Fiesta. And I do believe that as humans evolve, so should their religions. 

Wahid Azal Repeats his Lies and Makes More Excuses

About three years ago, I blocked in disgust Wahid Azal’s main account on reddit after discovering what a totally despicable liar and traitor he was against r/exbahai.

And in a recent post, he doubles down on his bullshit, thus showing he has absolutely NO sense of ethics whatsoever. To put it bluntly, he is indeed EVIL. Recently, he blocked me in return, no doubt to stop me from seeing more of his lies, but I learned to get around that barrier to see what he’s been doing.

He said the following:

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Like all other bahai lists online, exbahai is an echo chamber with an agenda tasked with gatekeeping and stymieing real opposition. There you have outright cyberbasijis rubbing shoulders with the BIA, like that recent arrival who was exposed here who is so transparent about what they are it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out. But whenever they and their transparently gratuitous talking points are pushed back against, this is what they always do: block. Yet note that over the past 4 years traffic to that subreddit has seriously come to a halt and it isn’t what it used to be. People are wisening up to the fact that not all is what it seems with exbahai. But when you appoint an imbecile, child groomer-pedo and head case like Gomer as a moderator, that is what you should expect. Also after u/investigator919 said what they said about the Woman, Life, Freedom Revolution in Iran, that list literally put a nail into its own coffin because there is no way they can talk that down or walk back an exbahai moderator’s outright parroting of IR government lines regarding what happened and is happening in Iran. This is why u/investigator919 was brought back as u/SuccessfulCorner2512 who is pretending now to be an exbahai hailing from an aristocratic Iranian bahai family when it is obvious who this person actually is.

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wahidazal66

But that shouldn’t deter you. Just get another ID and go back over there and give em hell. I’m still there and whenever I don’t have anything better to do I have been commenting there for over 2 years now with an ID they won’t even expect. Been doing the same with r/bahai as well. In this age of hybrid warfare, there are no rules; and, morally speaking, no one is obliged to actually respect and abide by what the corporate American Tech Beast and its rules say. If you can find ways to f*ck with their heads and sh*t on them, by all means do so! This is a war after all. My rules are the Bayan and my own completion of it. Period, full-stop, and not American capitalism’s rules and the rules of its assorted minions who are the ultimate Enemy. No one ever won a war by abiding by their enemy’s rules which is also what Krishna tells Arjuna in the Baghavad-Gita during the battle scene. As I said to you privately, this is what the Qalandari Left-Hand Path is really all about: only abiding by the divine rules but never the rules of man! Again, note the story of Khidr and Moses in the Quran.

So let’s dissect these statements. shall we?

Like all other bahai lists online, exbahai is an echo chamber with an agenda tasked with gatekeeping and stymieing real opposition.

Azal claims the only real opposition to the Baha’i Faith is him. This is not possible at all because he is a Bayani and it was the Bab who started the disruptions in Persia (AKA Iran) that Baha’u’llah would decades later take advantage of to form his own Baha’i community out of the ashes of the failed Babi community. In order to really defeat the Baha’i Faith, you must discredit BOTH the Bab and Baha’u’llah! And that is something I can do…..because I am an ATHEIST!

There you have outright cyberbasijis rubbing shoulders with the BIA, like that recent arrival who was exposed here who is so transparent about what they are it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

I wonder who he was referring to. And what the hell is a “cyberbasiji”? His making up terms like that to insult people is just stupid.

But whenever they and their transparently gratuitous talking points are pushed back against, this is what they always do: block.

No, he gets banned from places like r/exbahai for being dishonest, disruptive and verbally abusive. Trolling, basically. That’s really all he does.

Yet note that over the past 4 years traffic to that subreddit has seriously come to a halt and it isn’t what it used to be. People are wisening up to the fact that not all is what it seems with exbahai.

He is just making that up. r/exbahai is doing quite well considering how few members it has. We do a lot of good there. I moderate that place, so I see what goes on there. Speaking of which:

But when you appoint an imbecile, child groomer-pedo and head case like Gomer as a moderator, that is what you should expect.

“Gomer” is the nickname he invented for me. And there is no proof whatsoever that I have ever molested or groomed a child. He says that about me because he knows I am better at discrediting the Baha’i Faith than he is, as noted before. I have written against pedophiles several times, as well as against teachers who sexually abuse their own students, like Mary Kay Latourneau, may she be damned!

Also after u/investigator919 said what they said about the Woman, Life, Freedom Revolution in Iran, that list literally put a nail into its own coffin because there is no way they can talk that down or walk back an exbahai moderator’s outright parroting of IR government lines regarding what happened and is happening in Iran.

He is referring to this:

Where investigator919 said this:

She wasn’t beaten to death. That was the lie that triggered the protests. The CT-Scans clearly show a prior brain surgery. However, since the average Joe can’t make a distinction between brain surgery and a blow to the head, everyone went with the narrative that she was killed because that’s what they wanted to believe. I had to fact-check the CT-Scan images myself through one of our relatives who is a doctor because I had no idea what the CT-Scan of her head was showing.

This is how the media fools you. And yes, the “so called” supreme leader (I don’t consider him my leader) wasn’t lying in this case and in similar protests. Every time there is any form of protest in Iran it is hijacked by ISRAEL / SAUDI / US / MEK media channels. I was surfing twitter for the past two weeks and there were so many lies being propagated by their media channels and being re-twitted and established as fact that it made me sick. Three examples:

-Tweet: <So and so district of Tehran has been overtaken by protesters.> Me: You idiots I live here there is no protest in this district and there never was.

-Tweet: <shows movie captioned: “innocent protester killed by police.”> Few hours later the complete movie is tweeted by another account that shows the so called dead protester getting up and walking away.

Tweet: <Iranian security forces open fire on peaceful people that had gathered to pray in the city of Zahedan killing twenty.> I immediately thought to myself this doesn’t make sense. Why would someone do this? Then even after a separatist group posted a video and claimed responsibility for inciting the violence, thousands of twitter accounts were still retweeting the initial fake narrative for days.

The whole goal is so called regime change. At the end of the day no one cares for Mahsa Amini or any other woman in Iran (if they did we wouldn’t have been sanctioned by western governments to the dark-ages). Just a few days ago nearly 30 Shia women were killed by suicide bomber in Afghanistan. No one batted an eye. In fact those bombings and killings of innocent women happen on a daily basis in Afghanistan, Yemen, and also Palestine. But no one cares. No one gives a shit. What made Mahsa Amini different? What makes Iran so special? Regime change in Iran. Toppling a government that opposes the west and refuses to bow to it.

The Iranian government is neither the angel that it portrays itself and neither the devil that is portrayed by the west. It’s like every other government with its shortcomings and also good points. But if you want to measure the level of savageness of a government by counting the number of people it has killed, then I’m sure it’s no where near the top of the list where the US / Israel / Saudi and a bunch of other western countries stand.

What’s ironic about Wahid’s demonization of investigator919 is that Baha’is in reddit do the same thing to him and for the same reason:  he is a Shia Muslim who lives in Iran. But if you look carefully, he is NOT merely parroting the claims of the Iranian government. 

And yes, the “so called” supreme leader (I don’t consider him my leader) wasn’t lying in this case and in similar protests.

The Iranian government is neither the angel that it portrays itself and neither the devil that is portrayed by the west. It’s like every other government with its shortcomings and also good points.

He may have blind spots with regards to Shia teachings, but he does show critical thinking in this case. 

There was an exchange of messages between him and me that read as follows.

I’ve been so ANGRY about Iran and about Islam these past couple of weeks that I wasn’t sure I could even discuss the matter with you without coming across as rude and even a bit bigoted. Thanks for not humiliating me in public.

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No need to apologize. I don’t blame you for being angry. The media and cyberspace these days is filled with truths, half-truths, and outright lies. No one knows what to believe anymore.

Moving on……

This is why u/investigator919 was brought back as u/SuccessfulCorner2512 who is pretending now to be an exbahai hailing from an aristocratic Iranian bahai family when it is obvious who this person actually is.

Another completely made up claim. I can usually tell when someone like Wahid Azal or DavidBinOwen is using sockpuppets to infiltrate subreddits they have been banned from (which is a clear violation of reddit rules). They have a distinctive writing style and means of expression that they cannot change, which proves they are incompetent. So is Wahid saying that investigator919 is better at faking a personality than he is? LOL!

See what happened between those two here:

Wahid Azal Disgraces Himself Again.

The difference in expressions between investigator919 and SuccessfulCorner2512 is light years apart. So why did Azal claim they are the same person? Because that is what pathological liars do, even if it makes them look STUPID!

But that shouldn’t deter you. Just get another ID and go back over there and give em hell. I’m still there and whenever I don’t have anything better to do I have been commenting there for over 2 years now with an ID they won’t even expect. Been doing the same with r/bahai as well.

So here we see Azal clearly admitting to violating reddit rules and encouraging such violations from others! That should get him banned permanently from reddit, and I mean ALL his accounts, FOREVER!

In this age of hybrid warfare, there are no rules; and, morally speaking, no one is obliged to actually respect and abide by what the corporate American Tech Beast and its rules say. If you can find ways to f*ck with their heads and sh*t on them, by all means do so! This is a war after all. My rules are the Bayan and my own completion of it. Period, full-stop, and not American capitalism’s rules and the rules of its assorted minions who are the ultimate Enemy. No one ever won a war by abiding by their enemy’s rules which is also what Krishna tells Arjuna in the Baghavad-Gita during the battle scene. As I said to you privately, this is what the Qalandari Left-Hand Path is really all about: only abiding by the divine rules but never the rules of man! Again, note the story of Khidr and Moses in the Quran.

This is the “ends justify the means” fallacy. Joseph Stalin made himself the supreme lawmaker in the Soviet Union for decades and killed MILLIONS of his own people simply to enforce his will on them. Mao Zedong killed millions of his own Chinese people. Pol Pot is said to have killed ONE-THIRD of the Cambodian people in the same way! And I have no doubt if Wahid Azal ever gains political power anywhere, he will also exterminate people. After all, in war you kill people en masse on a regular basis … and didn’t he call what he does a war? Why protest against the tyranny of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the hypocrisy of the Haifan Baha’i leadership when he is indeed no better than them?

And Wahid Azal’s own insanity make me think the Bab was just as crazy and dangerous. No wonder he was killed in 1850!

And for the record, my rejection of the Baha’i Faith in 2004-2005 had nothing to do with the Bab. But I hate the Bab’s legacy NOW……because of WAHID AZAL! May he be DAMNED forever!

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A Parable of Deception and Damnation

Let me tell you a story.

Once, there was a false prophet who died and went to hell. A decade later, one of the prophet’s followers also died and went to hell. He then saw the prophet he had believed in.

“Sir, you lied to me! How could you have done that to me and so many others?!”

The false prophet replied, “I did it because you were dumb enough to believe me. That was reason enough.”

IF YOU CAN’T IMAGINE THAT SOMEONE HAS LIED TO YOU, THEN YOU ARE THE REASON SOMEONE WOULD LIE TO YOU!

Another Haifan Baha’i Gets Busted on Reddit

A subreddit devoted to religion in general got a post from a Muslim about the Baha’i Faith.

But among the comments there was a verbal tennis match between trident, a Unitarian Baha’i, and FrenchBread, a Haifan Baha’i.

You will have many responses if you post this in r/bahai
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Baha’i
r/Freespeechbahai for alternative Bahai perspectives

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you aren’t even a Baha’i
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Baha’i

Yes I am

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There is no such thing as Haifan or Unitarian Bahá’ís. You can’t make things up like that. I can call myself the Wizard of Oz but it doesn’t mean anything.
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Baha’i

The difference between Haifan and Unitarian Bahais is Haifan Baha’is believe that after Baha’u’llah’s death Abdul Baha’s Will was to be followed, which appointed Shoghi Effendi and then the UHJ as the successors, whereas Unitarian Bahais believe that after Baha’u’llah’s death the instructions of the Kitab i Ahd were to be followed, which appointed Mirza Muhammad Ali as the successor of Abdul Baha.

I don’t see why you think there is no such thing as a Unitarian Bahai.

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The Kitab-i-Ahd did not appoint Mirza Muhammad Ali. Go read it again.
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Baha’i

It says Abdul Baha and then Muhammad Ali after him.

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No it says the station of Muhammad Ali is beneath that of Abdul’Baha. It says nothing of him succeeding Abdul’Baha. It also says we must obey Abdul’Baha and to turn away from him is like turning away from Baha’u’llah. Abdul’Baha was free to choose his successor and he chose Shoghi Effendi. It’s a done deal. There is nothing to argue.
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Only in the Haifan translation. Beneath is a mistranslation of the word بعد, which means “after” and does not mean “beneath”. Earlier translations did not use the word beneath. I include the Horace Holley translation in this post:

https://old.reddit.com/r/FreeSpeechBahai/comments/pbkwoe/my_interpretation_of_bahaullahs_successor/

The word “beneath” is not found here.

This is what the Kitab i Ahd says in the original language:

وصيّة اللّه آنکه بايد اغصان و افنان و منتسبين طرّاً بغصن اعظم ناظر باشند انظروا ما انزلناه فی کتابی الاقدس اذا غيض بحر الوصال و قضی کتاب المبدء فی المآل توجّهوا اِلی من اراده اللّه الّذی انشعب من هذا الاصل القديم مقصود از اين آيه مبارکه غصن اعظم بوده کذلک اظهرنا الامر فضلاً من عندنا و انا الفضّال الکريم قد قدّر اللّه مقام الغصن الاکبر بعد مقامه انّه هو الآمر الحکيم قد اصطفينا الاکبر بعد الاعظم امراً من لدن عليم خبير

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Whether or not you translate it as “beneath” or “after” does not change the fact that the passage is not implying in any way about who should be the successor after Abdul’Baha. I can’t fathom how you can read it in such a matter. Once Muhammad Ali broke the covenant by not recognizing Abdul’Baha it’s a moot point. Muhammad Ali was excommunicated so he can’t be the successor anyway. You need to stop spreading this kind of disinformation. It’s so harmful to your soul that I am deeply saddened for you.
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It doesn’t imply it. It commands it explicitly:

Verily, God hath ordained the station of the Greater Branch after the station of the former. Verily, He is the Ordainer, the Wise. We have surely chosen the Greater after the Greatest as a Command from the All-Knowing, the Omniscient!

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It says station not succession. My station is lower than Abdul’Baha but that doesn’t mean I am to succeed him. The key word is station.
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Baha’i

So what was the point of mentioning Muhammad Ali at all?

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To make sure Muhammad Ali (and everyone else in the family and the community) knew that Muhammad Ali was to obey Abdul’Baha. So that Muhammad Ali would not challenge the successorship after Baha’u’llah’s death, and everyone would turn to Abdul’Baha for leadership and there wouldn’t be a schism.
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Baha’i

Wouldn’t it make things clearer to just not mention Muhammad Ali, and just say that everyone was to obey Abdul Baha?

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Clearly Baha’u’llah felt the need to address Muhammad Ali by name specifically so that there would be no doubt or question amongst everyone in the family. I’d recommend you read God Passes Bye which talks quite a bit about the trouble that Muhammad Ali was causing at the time for Abdul’Baha. Later in Abdul’Baha’s ministry, Muhammad Ali went as far as trying to have Abdul’Baha crucified by the Ottomans.
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Well, that was over two months ago. When I found that thread, I decided that FrenchBread needed to be taught a lesson in humility. So I went after him!
Unitarian Universalist

If other Baha’is are anything like YOU in the way you argued with trident here, then clearly those responses in the Baha’i subreddit are not to be trusted.

You said:

There is no such thing as Haifan or Unitarian Bahá’ís. You can’t make things up like that. I can call myself the Wizard of Oz but it doesn’t mean anything.

That’s like saying there is no such thing as a Christian outside the Roman Catholic Church. Don’t be so bigoted! Then you claimed:

[The Kitab-i-Ahd] says the station of Muhammad Ali is beneath that of Abdul’Baha. It says nothing of him succeeding Abdul’Baha. It also says we must obey Abdul’Baha and to turn away from him is like turning away from Baha’u’llah. Abdul’Baha was free to choose his successor and he chose Shoghi Effendi. It’s a done deal. There is nothing to argue.

Do you read the original languages of Baha’u’llah’s writings, Arabic and Persian? Apparently not! When trident tried to correct you with the actual quotation from the passage in question, you simply doubled down on the falsehoods.

Whether or not you translate it as “beneath” or “after” does not change the fact that the passage is not implying in any way about who should be the successor after Abdul’Baha. I can’t fathom how you can read it in such a matter. Once Muhammad Ali broke the covenant by not recognizing Abdul’Baha it’s a moot point. Muhammad Ali was excommunicated so he can’t be the successor anyway. You need to stop spreading this kind of disinformation. It’s so harmful to your soul that I am deeply saddened for you.

Why do you assume Mirza Muhammad-Ali broke the Covenant? Because you believe what was written about him decades after the fact? You weren’t there, so you don’t know what really happened, do you?

The real reason for the dispute between the brothers was because Abdu’l-Baha falsely claimed infallibility for himself after Baha’u’llah made clear in the Kitab-i-Aqdas that NO ONE but God and a Messenger of God could be infallible. He also warned his followers in that book that no one could claim direct revelation from God for 1000 years after his time. Abdu’l-Baha’s claim about himself made it look like he was equal to his father and that made Muhammad-Ali think Abdu’l-Baha violated the Covenant. And once the Covenant was broken, the obligation to obey Abdu’l-Baha became irrelevant. Abdu’l-Baha was just as bound to the rules of his father as Muhammad-Ali was. Having Muhammad-Ali act as a check on Abdu’l-Baha’s absolute power was actually a wise thing for Baha’u’llah to do, in hindsight. Too bad most Baha’is, including you, have chosen to ignore the actual facts about Baha’u’llah’s own teachings. Instead, you use talking points that really don’t make sense. Trident did say:

Wouldn’t it make things clearer to just not mention Muhammad Ali, and just say that everyone was to obey Abdul Baha?

Obviously, yes! Then you said:

Clearly Baha’u’llah felt the need to address Muhammad Ali by name specifically so that there would be no doubt or question amongst everyone in the family.

Because……if Abdu’l-Baha was caught breaking the Covenant, Muhammad-Ali would have the right to challenge him by the authority given to him by both the Kitab-i-Aqdas and the Kitab-i-Ahd. And THAT’S WHAT HE DID!

And as for this final claim of yours:

Later in Abdul’Baha’s ministry, Muhammad Ali went as far as trying to have Abdul’Baha crucified by the Ottomans.

That’s absurd! And when did the Ottoman Empire ever crucify people?

It’s only natural for Shoghi Effendi after being made Abdu’l-Baha’s successor to demonize Muhammad-Ali to justify what was done. Therefore, his book God Passes By is not credible. It’s like Joseph Stalin demonizing Leon Trotsky after Stalin became the Soviet dictator, even though Trotsky was also a loyal Communist.

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The next day after I made that comment, I discovered that FrenchBread had blocked me and my comment had been downvoted by several people. Such pathetic cowardice! But that’s what happens when Haifan Baha’is can’t control the conversation like they can in r/bahai! They run away!

Wahid Azal Disgraces Himself Again.

Wahid Azal has a long history of picking stupid fights with people just to pump up his hyperinflated ego. This week, he did it again to one of my exBaha’i allies.

He was referring to this:

Where the following comments were made:

It’s difficult to understand that view, to be honest. If I were to rank the Baha’i figures in terms of harmful beliefs, the Bab would top it by some margin, followed by Baha’u’llah (though the future potential for harm is greater for BH). The Bab caused anarchy and bloodshed for several years, and when given a viable plan to stop the bloodshed, he replied that the blood was like fertiliser for the soil. He advocated beliefs so deeply fanatical that we can find no parallel outside recent extremist religious movements such as ISIS, e.g. taking possessions away from non-believers to give to believers, burning books, and many other despicable, evil, and ludicrous teachings.

The notion that God would “manifest” on Earth and tell us to burn books and kill non-believers, as the Bab did, makes me shudder. The Bab was definitely one of the evilest men in recent Persian history.

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Unitarian Baha’i

I’m not too concerned with the Bab’s teachings on violence since Baha’u’llah came later and banned holy war and abrogated the burning of books. So it is no longer an important question if the Bab taught violence. In any case, there have been times in history where violence was justified (e.g. pre-Islamic Arabia).

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So God endorsed the burning of books and homicide in 1844 and changed his mind in 1863. Fickle isn’t he.
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Then someone barged in to attack SuccessfulCorner.
Wahid Azal sockpuppet

What is your evidence that the Babis endorsed burning books and homicide, you shameless IR hack? Tell us again how many leftists Khomeini ordered executed without trial at the tail end of the war with Iraq that you so-and-sos started.

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Wahid Azal sockpuppet

The Bab caused anarchy and bloodshed for several years,

This is IRI state propaganda and mullah nonsense articulated by the same people who literally created anarchy in Iran during 1978-9 to seize power by force and murder millions. No such anarchy was created in Iran by the Babis. They were pushed by a corrupt system, and so rightfully took a stance of defensive jihad against it. Proto-ISIS was the Ayatollah Khomeini and the system you truck for, basiji-e-koon kesh!

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I recognized this user as another account being used by Wahid Azal, so I deleted the comments and reported them to the other mods of r/exbahai, causing him to be banned again.

SuccessfulCorner then went to the new post Azal made in his own subreddit.

Wahid, I’d be happy to debate you if you’d be happy to tone down the obtuse language and use paragraphs.

Now, tell me more about yourself. You identify as a Babi but not a Baha’i?

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Bayānī

You don’t know who I am? Some of the people of Hot Air (أهل هباء) (i.e. our terminology for bahais first coined by Subh-i-Azal) consider me to be enemy #1.

Now, you have made a series of false assertions that come straight out of the textbooks of IR state propaganda regarding the Babi period. Can you support what you say?

Let’s start here. You say:

The Bab caused anarchy and bloodshed for several years, and when given a viable plan to stop the bloodshed, he replied that the blood was like fertiliser for the soil. “

Besides being a lame, ahistorical and revisionist apology for Qajar absolutism and the unchecked power of their clerical allies of the time, pray tell, where exactly did the Primal Point say, “blood was like fertiliser for the soil“? Source?

Besides other things, the argument you are making above is a pro-statist argument. First, you are rationalizing the authoritarianism and corruption of the Qajar state and clergy. Second, you are thoroughly whitewashing the events of the time. Third, you have not even factored in what the Qajar state and clergy did to push the Babis into open revolt against it. In other words, your argument possesses no causality and attempts to represent the Babi Revolution as a sort of sui generis violent uprising with the state and clergy as its “innocent victims” – LOL! – who did nothing to bring it upon themselves! Again, these are the sorts of fallacies and whitewashes the IRI and its hawzavi allies regularly employ as talking points about the Babis and the era: talking points that also have a few of their sources in the intellectually dishonest Baha’i sectarian rewrite of Babi history.

Then you say: He advocated beliefs so deeply fanatical that we can find no parallel outside recent extremist religious movements such as ISIS…

The comparison to Daesh/ISIS is a regular IR talking point and is nonsense, and the claim to finding no parallel is an even bigger fallacy. But these are things IR state media and the seminary regularly (and hypocritically) claim about the Bayan.

Then without context, you state:

e.g. taking possessions away from non-believers to give to believers, burning books, and many other despicable, evil, and ludicrous teachings.

First, disenfranchising non-believers of their property in the Bayan is only a feature under a Babi/Bayani state which did not exist between 1844-1850. Second, contrary to what you and the mullahs claim, there is no provision in the Bayan for the burning or destruction of books. Instead this is a claim first dishonestly asserted by the founder of Bahaism and then parrot-fashion repeated by the mullahs as a way to misrepresent the provision and nuanced language of the sixth gate of the sixth Unity of the Bayan. In fact the 13th gate of the 9th Unity of the Bayan unequivocally commands the opposite, that under no circumstance a book or piece of writing ever be materially destroyed:

أنتم أبدًا كتابًا لا تخرقون

So what are the other despicable, evil, and ludicrous teachings here then? Your very language in misrepresenting the teachings, ordinances and history of the Bayan is the language of the IRI! Do you deny it?

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You don’t know who I am? Some of the people of Hot Air (أهل هباء) (i.e. our terminology for bahais first coined by Subh-i-Azal) consider me to be enemy #1.

Never heard of you. You appear to be the only follower of an extinct religion, which must be fun.

It’s ironic that you talk about hot air, as you’re standing alone on top of an extinct volcano (Babism), substituting its bygone life with noise and hot air of your own.

Besides being a lame, ahistorical and revisionist apology for Qajar absolutism and the unchecked power of their clerical allies of the time, pray tell, where exactly did the Primal Point say, “blood was like fertiliser for the soil”? Source?

The sentiment here was the dominant pep talk from the Bab and among the followers of the blood-stained Babi movement. There’s no shortage of examples, including Hujjat-i-Zanjani who encouraged the Babi’s with “God has always decreed that in every age the blood of the believers is to be the oil of the lamp of religion.”

Similarly, Mulla-Husayn proclaimed, “Many a soul will, in this city, shed his blood in this path. That blood will water the Tree of God, will cause it to flourish, and to overshadow all mankind”.

Of course, the Bab could have intervened to stop the needless bloodshed. The Mu’tamid of Isfahan, Imárat-i-Khurshíd, approached the Bab with a plan which included arranging the marriage of the Bab to a sister of the Shah. The Bab replied “Not by the means which you fondly imagine will an almighty Providence accomplish the triumph of His Faith. Through the poor and lowly of this land, by the blood which these shall have shed in His path, will the omnipotent Sovereign ensure the preservation and consolidate the foundation of His Cause.”

Of course, none of this happened. They all died in vain for an evil and worthless cause.

First, disenfranchising non-believers of their property in the Bayan is only a feature under a Babi/Bayani state which did not exist between 1844-1850.

Shame on you, and shame on this disgusting false religion!

The theocratic state envisioned by the Bab was one characterized by a strange dualism of wickedness and stupidity. You acknowledged above an example of the unspeakably wicked vision of the Bab. Examples of his unspeakably stupid teachings include Babis writing the 95 names of God in henna on their bodies after a bath, reciting 700 Bayanic verses daily, not keeping over 19 (wahid) books, and many others, but I’ll spare you the embarrassment. The Bab’s obsession with the number 19 was clearly an expression of mental illness. He even foretold a time when “even the pens on the pencase shall be arranged according to the number wahid (19)”.

As for your comments on the response of the state, let us be absolutely clear: there is no government on Earth that would allow a new group of religious fanatics to establish such an evil and dystopic society as that envisioned by the Bab.

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Wahid’s response showed he had been insincere in wanting any real debate.

Bayānī

ROFLMAO! That’s it? That’s all you got. Tsk tsk tsk…

Let’s get something straight, by your uncritical, unnuanced and totally shambolic ahistorical state propaganda sloganeering of a response (that is utterly full of sh*t from start to finish like everyone and everything associated with that regime) – merely repeating parrot fashion the same trite BS of IR state propaganda – you reveal yourself exactly as being what I say you are: an openly transparent propagandist and shill full of crap working for the Islamic Republic of Iran just here littering reddit and Wikipedia with their trash. You opine:

“God has always decreed that in every age the blood of the believers is to be the oil of the lamp of religion.”

The sentiment and words come directly from Shi’ite hadith. That you have a problem with it just shows your ignorance regarding your own sources. Then comes the real holler:

“Many a soul will, in this city, shed his blood in this path. That blood will water the Tree of God, will cause it to flourish, and to overshadow all mankind”.

You are citing a Baha’ i source, the Dawn Breakers, where Shoghi Effendi is literally putting words into the mouths of the protagonists for dramatic effect. We don’t even accept the legitimacy of that source. Find me something comparable in nuqtat’ul-kaf. Be that as it may, let’s assume for argument’s sake he said it: again, such wording and sentiments are replete throughout Shi’ite sources which the Babis merely echoed and pericoped. Your so-called dajjaal-imam Khomeini went on the pulpit in May 1979 in front of cameras and encouraged people to get themselves martyred and spill their own blood after the assassination of Mottahhari. Hypocrisy much?

And here is where your total ignorance and bias really reveals itself:

Examples of his unspeakably stupid teachings include Babis writing the 95 names of God in henna on their bodies after a bath, reciting 700 Bayanic verses daily, not keeping over 19 (wahid) books, and many others, but I’ll spare you the embarrassment. The Bab’s obsession with the number 19 was clearly an expression of mental illness.

Actually, it is writing allahumma (O God) for men with henna once (and in the baths) and al-rahman (the Compassionate) for women once (and in the baths). 95x is the bare minimum number of times a daily dhikr is to be recited. 700 is the number that the dhikr Allahu Azhar is to be recited. 19 is the number of the Unity (wahid) as well as the numerical value of Existence (wujud) in the science of the letters, not to mention the precise number of letters in the bismillah. If you call it mental illness, perhaps you should also call your dajjaal so-called imam one too since he too was enamored by the science of the letters and numbers and demonstrates it in his commentaries on al-Fatiha, the works of Hamza Fanari and Sadruddin Qunawi, etc. Your ignorance, animus and bias towards the the Primal Point and the Babis is so profound that it thoroughly unmasks you as a shill because for all their own unbelievable ignorance no bahai – whether enrolled or ex – would ever utter the kind of garbled, ignorant BS as you have here.

Then you say:

Of course, the Bab could have intervened to stop the needless bloodshed. The Mu’tamid of Isfahan, Imárat-i-Khurshíd, approached the Bab with a plan which included arranging the marriage of the Bab to a sister of the Shah. The Bab replied “Not by the means which you fondly imagine will an almighty Providence accomplish the triumph of His Faith. Through the poor and lowly of this land, by the blood which these shall have shed in His path, will the omnipotent Sovereign ensure the preservation and consolidate the foundation of His Cause.”

Again, you have your chronology completely garbled while also citing a BS source. While the Primal Point was in Isfahan and under the protection of Manuchehr Khan Mu’tamid-ad-Dawlih, the Georgian, who was the Point’s devotee, there was no bloodshed. So whatever words Shoghi Effendi has put into the mouth of the Point, it is a figment of his own imagination. The bloodshed begins 18 months after He left Isfahan. Be that as it may, you are blaming the Primal Point for refusing a royal bribe? You are a piece of work, but quite predictable for the IR/hawzavi types who are literally willing to give fellatio to anyone who even symbolically supports them, whatever the cost, like Khamenei is to Putin ATM. One recent name comes to mind as to what utter clowns you vilayatis are on that score: Catherine Shakdam!

Your incessant comparison of the Babis to Daesh/ISIS is the dead giveaway that you are a regime hack since it is one of the most notable and regular talking points of the regime. Hasan Ershad keeps repeating it parrot fashion. Every other regime polemicist has been saying exactly the same thing over and over again. Your alter ego u/Investigator919 has been saying this stuff like a broken record himself, and every time he has been challenged and shown the evidence that his assertion is a lie, he censors or runs away – and later comes back saying the same thing again. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is a regime hack! That gullible fools like DH can’t see it is because, well, they are gullible fools being played like fiddles by you devils. But not everyone is a mentally ill, attention-seeking gullible fool like DH is.

That said, you and those viciously malevolent ignoramuses like you are a decisive argument as to why the Babis should’ve slaughtered every single last one of you hawzavis without mercy to the last man, woman and child without pulling a single punch. If they had, there wouldn’t have been a Khomeinist state in Iran for the past 44 years with an estimated and cumulative number of 3-4+ million Iranians murdered by it. This generation won’t be making the same mistake again.

In conclusion, you say you’ve never heard of me? Your alternative handle u/Investigator919 very much has. Hear this then, Basiji-e-oghdei: nice try, a$$h*le, but surely you don’t think people are really that dumb to not be on to you. Fuck off now back to your cubicle in Qom, or run along keep pretending you are some exbahai living in the UK and no one notices – when you aren’t any such thing!

Consider this having wiped the floor with your degenerate backside. So go now and cry to your little know-nothing, pedo Texan puppet, Gomer, to comfort his fellow degenerate because my argument opening this post stands unassailable like the Rock of Gibraltar with you duffuses incapable of refuting it.

سبزى پلو با ماهى، كس ننت بسيجى

The designations “DH” and “Gomer” refer to me. Gomer is perhaps a reference to Gomer Pyle, a classic TV character from the 1960s.

Meanwhile, I noticed the post by Azal and crossposted it to r/exbahai

And made my own comments:

Ex-Baha’i Unitarian Universalist

Since I am probably banned from r/BAYAN and would never go in there anyway:

The Bab claimed to be the return of the 12th Imam. That claim was forever debunked by his death…..HE WASN’T SUPPOSED TO BE MARTYRED! But the influence of Christianity enabled Babis to later believe the Bab willingly died for the Cause of God just as Jesus had done. Google “sunk cost fallacy” to understand this appearant shift in their thinking.

Yes, the Babis DID attempt to overthrow the Persian government by violence once the Shah refused to convert to the Babi Faith, because the Iman Mahdi was expected to overthrow ALL the enemies of the Cause of God. Wahid Azal is flat out lying if he denies the fuking obvious.

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Ex-Baha’i Unitarian Universalist

an audience of mostly ‘vanilla and milk-toast’ Anglo-American liberals of ‘Unitarian Universalist’ mold

It is hilarious that he used to call me (an American of European descent and, yes, a Unitarian Universalist) a racist, while he himself spits out such blatantly bigoted crap like that, clearly aimed at me. Who does he think he is?!

He needs to get a dictionary. And sessions with a psychiatrist. He has absolutely no business telling others about racism. #hypocrite

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Ex-Baha’i Unitarian Universalist

And here’s another damning example of Wahid Azal totally misrepresenting the Bab’s teachings in a desperate attempt to make the Bab look better than he was:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exbahai/comments/cxdsax/answering_investigator919s_disinfo_part_1/

Gaslighting 101.

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Ex-Baha’i Unitarian Universalist

Over there:

SuccessfulCorner2512

Wahid, I’d be happy to debate you if you’d be happy to tone down the obtuse language and use paragraphs.

Now, tell me more about yourself. You identify as a Babi but not a Baha’i?

wahidazal66

You don’t know who I am? Some of the people of Hot Air (i.e. our terminology for bahais) identify me as enemy #1.

Now, you have made a series of assertions that come straight out of the textbooks of IR state propaganda regarding the Babi period. Can you support what you say?

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identify me as enemy #1.

I seriously doubt that, since you are not a government official in Iran or some other country known to have persecuted Baha’is. You are just some cultist screaming across the internet.

you have made a series of assertions that come straight out of the textbooks of IR state propaganda regarding the Babi period.

Isn’t THAT itself a wild assertion? Don’t ask him to support his claims while you never can support YOURS.

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Ex-Baha’i Unitarian Universalist

Wahid has edited his earlier comment, perhaps thinking I wouldn’t notice and react to it. It is now up to u/SuccessfulCorner2512 to respond to his challenge. Specifically:

  1. Where did the Bab say that “blood was like fertilizer for the soil” in reference to his opponents in Persia?

  2. Is it really appropriate to compare the Babi movement in the 1840s to ISIS? Based on what facts?

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I’ll cross-post here in case he deletes it:
(The long comment he made at Azal over there)
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Ex-Baha’i Unitarian Universalist

Oh, I’m sure he won’t delete your reply, but he will resort to personal insults, lies, and mental gymnastics that rival anything Baha’is have ever done. That’s what he is notorious for and why he was banned from here years ago.

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Ex-Baha’i Unitarian Universalist

Confirmed!

(The long comment Azal made with references to me…..that were added in an edit later)

Google Translate makes that last Persian passage to say:

Vegetable rice with fish, you won’t like it.

Whatever that means.

SuccessfulCorner then reported to me that Azal banned him from r/BAYAN. LOL!

BTW, it’s interesting that Azal uses the same arguments to make the Bab’s lunacy more palatable to Western audiences that Baha’is do, and Baha’is have done so much to spread knowledge of and belief in the Bab around the world, yet Azal hates Baha’is. That’s like Christians hating Jews despite Jesus himself being Jewish!

Another note: Dismissing arguments against the credibility of the Bab as Iranian state propaganda is a form of the ad hominem fallacy. Historical facts with clear and consistent documentation and logical consistency are what matter, not where the facts came from. That’s why I used logic and my understanding of Shia Muslim teachings to debunk the Bab’s and Wahid Azal’s claims. I would do that even though I am an atheist and even if Iran had a secular government.

Just for fun, here’s a song by the rock band Ghost:

A Challenge Leads to a Peaceful Resolution

While exploring reddit, I discovered another Baha’i subreddit I had never seen before:

https://www.reddit.com/r/BabandBahaullah/

This community will be to discuss the revelations and ministries of the Bab and Baha’u’llah, use their teachings as primary sources for discussion, and find pathways to enable positive social change. Please abide by the rules and show loving kindness for all.

Then I saw this:

Anything, I wondered? So I decided to challenge the subreddit’s creator.

Seeker_Alpha1701

What do you consider to be valid proofs of the Bab and of Baha’u’llah?

What would make you reject at least one of them?

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I am incapable of proving God exists. How could I ever prove something came from God? This is the claim of the Bab, Baha’u’llah, and others.
Why do I accept their claims? For the same reason I continue to believe in God despite the incapability to currently prove God exists? It is based on faith, grounded in a feeling I feel within myself.
There are many things in existence we take for granted but have no proof of. We have evidences of their existence, but no actual proof. I’m ok with that.
Since I do not require any proofs for that which I feel within me, the only thing that would change my perspective is if my feeling were to change.

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That was NOT anything like I expected, since I was used to seeing arrogant talking points from fanatics like DavidBinOwen.

Your honesty is commendable. This is what separates you from bigoted extremists.
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What had changed your perspective regarding the Bab?
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Yikes! I guess I should have seen that coming! But I decided I would not hold back from being direct in answering the question.
 
Several things…..
  1. The Bayani claim that the Bab was NOT the forerunner of Baha’u’llah, but was supposed to bring in a new age for humanity on his own. Baha’u’llah was said to be a usurper.

  2. The Shia Muslim claim that the Bab’s claims about himself were debunked the moment he was killed. He should have defeated his enemies instead.

  3. The Sunni Muslim claim that the twelve Imams Shiites revere were not of any special status. The Bab was supposed to be the return of the 12th Imam.

  4. The atheist argument that if God cannot be proven to exist, then claims by Prophets supposedly sent by God are irrelevant.

But my actual rejection of the Baha’i Faith in 2004 had nothing to do with the Bab. That’s another issue altogether.

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The reason why I asked about the Bab is because if you were a Baha’i, you had to have believed in the Bab during the time you were a Baha’i. As you express yourself to be an atheist (assuming by point 4), your points 1-3 actually wouldn’t matter since the Bayani, Shia, and Sunni people do believe in God. Any claim any of those 3 groups would make would be irrelevant if you also believe in point 4.

What happened in 2004 which made you question that which the Bab had taught?

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Why was he fixated on the Bab, I wondered. Again, I was direct in my response.

It was the general perception that if the Baha’i Faith was failing, the Bab had also failed, since Baha’u’llah was a follower of the Bab before starting the Baha’i Faith. I still believed that Baha’u’llah was supposed to be the one the Bab had foretold (thinking they knew each other, since they were both contemporaries and countrymen).

And if the Baha’i Faith had failed, since it was supposed to be the Religion of God for this age, God himself had failed.

Then I thought, “Maybe there is no God and that would explain why religions around the world are so messed up.”

And once I reached that conclusion, I never looked back. I rejected ALL God-centered religions.

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I understand why you feel as you do. As Bahau’llah (I think) taught, if religion becomes the source of fanaticism and yields no more fruit, it is best if it no longer exists.

Also, it is extremely difficult to see any faith or religion without the clergy and the organization. The Baha’i Faith has spent so much effort making it seem the organization IS the faith, that it is nearly impossible for people to see the Bab or Baha’u’llah without the Faith. In the Aqdas, he does promise another Manifestation and in the Iqan, he says why. Because the people would have completely turned away from the revelation.

However, I still feel that outside of the organization, God is having effect towards the things God promised through Baha’u’llah and nearly all of this exists outside of the organization, mostly by people who have never heard of the Bab or Baha’u’llah. I particularly wish people knew the story of the Bab. His ministry deeply touches me. I do not believe He was merely a forerunner but really was the Gate and the Primal Point. He first appeared in a dream of mine in 2003, and it took me nearly 5 years to figure out that this person was real.

As of 2023, there is much much less war in the world. The entire Western Hemisphere has no nation or tribe actively fighting the other. There is a loose federation of nations, although the United Nations is far from a potential end goal. Translation services and AI is bringing us closer to a common script. Many older faiths and/or believers of those faiths have adopted many of the tenets, such as monogamy, women having more freedom in things such as how they dress, and a greater understanding that there are common truths in all of the major faiths.

I can see the argument that says these and other things are the product of human innovation, which is true. This is the path we were meant to be on. I do believe we can progress more quickly if we adhere to the teachings of God more fully, but certain things are inevitable regardless of our belief or non-belief.

With that being said, a friend and I have plans to create, independent of the Baha’i Faith, a functioning Mashiriq’ul-Adhkar in our community. The Dawning Place of (community name).

BTW, I have visited a UU church before. It seems like a good community and its good to see people of varying perspectives have a common bond. I hope they have success in their goals.

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Again, I was quote floored by the gracious nature of his comments. It was a clear example of someone “killing me with kindness”. I decided at that point this particular Baha’i was no threat to the ex-Baha’i community of reddit I was representing. So I withdrew from the discussion.

Thank you for agreeing to let me come here. This was a pleasant discussion. This is how talks on religion should always be conducted. Farewell.
 
And I moved on…..