I have much less interest in attacking Islam than I do Christianity or the Baha’i Faith, because I have never been a Muslim. But I do not discriminate. Just as I have condemned “DavidBinOwen” for his cyberstalking me and even invading the ExBahai subreddit in the past, so I won’t stand for a Muslim invading the ExMuslim subreddit.
Look at this:
There is a comment thread there that goes as follows:
Muhammad raped, killed, kept captives, kept slaves, massacred a tribe including children and ordered killings of people. And my madrassah teacher had the audacity to teach me that Muhammad was the most merciful man, despite studying all of the crimes Muhammad had committed?
Any authentic narrations or verses for your claims ?
Allowed rape- Sahih Muslim 8:3371
Raped Saffiyah bint Huyayy a day after killing her husband and father and also sells women from her tribe- Sahih Bukhari 1:8:367
Ordered a killing of an old lady who mocked him- Ibn Hisham & Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah page 675 676
Beheaded a tribe including children who had pubic hair- Sahih Bukhari 4:52:68, Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Quran 33:26-27
Kept slaves- Sahih Bukhari 3:43:648
These hadith and tafsirs have the highest level of authenticity. There’s apologetics but I don’t find it convincing. So don’t try it
Please copy paste these hadith as well, there is a chance that I reply to a different hadith since 2-3 showed up in my search .
Look mate. I appreciate what you’re trying to do and I like your spirit of defending your religion. And I’m sure you believe that I am taking everything out of context or misunderstanding it. But I didn’t come in this sub to have my views changed by the Yaqeen Institute or Islamic apologetic websites copy and paste, I’ve had a lot of that from the last few months. If I wanted that I would have gone r/Islam. I look at Muhammad a different way and you look at him in a different way. Let’s leave it there. This post is just my opinion and my views on Muhammad and I understand why you wouldn’t agree, as it wasn’t aimed at you. 👍
Oh no, I want to understand what you think that is why I am asking you to paste the hadith so that I can see as well , If I see logic and proof in it then I will agree with you, if not then I will give my 2 cents . Simple as that . Good for both for us . Please do paste the hadith .
But if you really want something, here. Again I understand that you won’t agree with any of those Hadith and it’s fine.
Paste the hadith to defend your claims then we can move forward .
Not interested. And as I said before as well, I haven’t written this post aimed at you. Good night.
Ok so just to be clear, you accuse the prophet (SAW) of being a barbaric person and don’t want to provide any proof for it . So this is more about your ignorance rather than logic and common sense . Good to know .
Killing people is barbaric and I won’t argue with you and any of your apologetics that I’ve seen 100s of times. You know the Hadith and stories I’m referring to, please don’t act like you don’t. And I’m sorry if you’re hurt.
Killing innocent people is barbaric. I’m not hurt , just amazed that you rather just accuse and spread hate about a man that is widely known through centuries to be the most perfect of a man and not provide proof for it while their are hundreds of authentic narrations that show us the prophet(SAW) mercy and perfect, beautiful character . I have encountered many like you but at the end they don’t reply and just give up and never provide proofs for their arguments .The “apologetics” probably just gave you logical evidence and common sense which you were to ignorant to accept . If you really believe your accusations are true, lets debate. If not, stop accusing .
You really can’t comprehend a few lines off my post, can you? No I will not give you anything. You know the massacres and killings as you are an apologist, I see. And no I don’t have to respect your favourite child raping caravan robber. Thanks. And if you’re so emotional that you won’t stop commenting then carry on😴😴
Oh no I understood from the second reply you gave that you are not a person of knowledge, rather just a boy that believe what he sees on the net and wants to have an excuse to follow a sinful life . I doubt you entire story, a true Muslim would have at least done some research if he/she encounters a verse or narration that bothers them ( been there ), but to go on lying just to seek attention, wrongfully accuse a man and not even have the slightest of knowledge to defend his claims is certainly a ignorant person . Your claims hold no weight till you provide proof to support them . Thankyou
Why are you unable/unwilling to read through the above? There are a great many hadiths posted there.
So I stepped in to defend the exMuslims.
I don’t know much about hadiths or whatever those things above are called, but I DO know that Muslims believe in Moses as a Messenger of God just as much as they believe in Muhammad. And according to the Bible, Moses DID commit acts that if done today would be condemned around the world as WAR CRIMES!
31 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Avenge the people of Israel on the Midianites. Afterward you shall be gathered to your people.” 3 So Moses spoke to the people, saying, “Arm men from among you for the war, that they may go against Midian to execute the Lord‘s vengeance on Midian. 4 You shall send a thousand from each of the tribes of Israel to the war.” 5 So there were provided, out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand from each tribe, twelve thousand armed for war. 6 And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand from each tribe, together with Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, with the vessels of the sanctuary and the trumpets for the alarm in his hand. 7 They warred against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every male. 8 They killed the kings of Midian with the rest of their slain, Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba, the five kings of Midian. And they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword. 9 And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones, and they took as plunder all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. 10 All their cities in the places where they lived, and all their encampments, they burned with fire, 11 and took all the spoil and all the plunder, both of man and of beast. 12 Then they brought the captives and the plunder and the spoil to Moses, and to Eleazar the priest, and to the congregation of the people of Israel, at the camp on the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho.
13 Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the chiefs of the congregation went to meet them outside the camp. 14 And Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the commanders of thousands and the commanders of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. 15 Moses said to them, “Have you let all the women live? 16 Behold, these, on Balaam’s advice, caused the people of Israel to act treacherously against the Lord in the incident of Peor, and so the plague came among the congregation of the Lord. 17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.
So I guess Muhammad was merely an Arab version of Moses?
you accuse the prophet (SAW) of being a barbaric person and don’t want to provide any proof for it .
Earlier YOU said:
a man [Muhammad] that is widely known through centuries to be the most perfect of a man …….. while their are hundreds of authentic narrations that show us the prophet(SAW) mercy and perfect, beautiful character
Strange that you don’t want to be held to the same standard you try to impose on this exMuslim. So……
SHOW US THE PROOF THAT MUHAMMAD HAD A PERFECT AND BEAUTIFUL CHARACTER! Show us dozens and dozens and dozens more of these “authentic narrations” you only made vague references to.