John Wayne, Great Actor, Terrible Human Being

When I was a small child, John Wayne was one of the greatest celebrities in the world. He has been dead for decades, but his movies remain as his legacy. Sadly, he was also an incredibly blind and arrogant bigot.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/johnwayne/indians.asp

Wayne’s World


Claim:   John Wayne once said that the taking of land from Native Americans was justifiable because “there were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.”

TRUE

Origins:   In 1971 John Wayne, the iconic movie star who had “charged the beaches at Iwo Jima, beaten back the Indians at Fort Apache, and often bloodied his fists in the name of frontier justice” was at the height of his popularity: Having appeared in over 200 films to date, he’d been listed among Hollywood’s top ten box-office attractions for two decades straight, had just won a Best Actor Academy Award for his portrayal of Rooster Cogburn (the “fearless, one-eyed U.S. marshal who never knew a dry day in his life”) in True Grit, and had garnered impressive ratings with his star-studded John Wayne’s Tribute to America NBC television special.

In that moment, Playboy magazine interviewed the Western film legend (with the results published in their May 1971 issue) and found that his reputation for being archly conservative in his politics was true to the man himself, not just to the characters he played on the silver screen.

Particularly, Wayne was unsparingly unsympathetic to the plight of real Native Americans (still termed “Indians” in the parlance of the times) who had been portrayed as adversaries in so many of this films, expressing his viewpoint that they deserved whatever misfortunes had befallen them, and that modern Americans bore no responsibility for addressing wrongs done to Native Americans by previous generations:

PLAYBOY: For years American Indians have played an important — if subordinate — role in your Westerns. Do you feel any empathy with them?

WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.

PLAYBOY: Weren’t the Indians — by virtue of prior possession — the rightful owners of the land?

WAYNE: Look, I’m sure there have been inequalities. If those inequalities are presently affecting any of the Indians now alive, they have a right to a court hearing. But what happened 100 years ago in our country can’t be blamed on us today.

PLAYBOY: Indians today are still being dehumanized on reservations.

WAYNE: I’m quite sure that the concept of a government-run reservation would have an ill effect on anyone. But that seems to be what the socialists are working for now — to have everyone cared for from cradle to grave.

PLAYBOY: Indians on reservations are more neglected than cared for. Even if you accept the principle of expropriation, don’t you think a more humane solution to the Indian problem could have been devised?

WAYNE: This may come as a surprise to you, but I wasn’t alive when reservations were created — even if I do look that old. I have no idea what the best method of dealing with the Indians in the 1800s would have been. Our forefathers evidently thought they were doing the right thing.

PLAYBOY: How do you feel about the government grant for a university and cultural center that these Indians [occupying Alcatraz] have demanded as “reparations”?

WAYNE: What happened between their forefathers and our forefathers is so far back — right, wrong or indifferent — that I don’t see why we owe them anything. I don’t know why the government should give them something that it wouldn’t give me.

Read this:  https://dalehusband.com/2010/08/03/white-americans-need-to-grow-up/

Now I will quote from Wayne again in red italics and respond directly to his ludicrous statements in green italics.

I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.

What evidence is there that millions of white people would have died if they had not grabbed all that land they took from the Native Americans?

Look, I’m sure there have been inequalities. If those inequalities are presently affecting any of the Indians now alive, they have a right to a court hearing. But what happened 100 years ago in our country can’t be blamed on us today.
It is not about blaming the present white people for the atrocities of the past, it is acknowledging that white people (myself included) today are still benefiting from what was done 100 or 200 years ago.

I’m quite sure that the concept of a government-run reservation would have an ill effect on anyone. But that seems to be what the socialists are working for now — to have everyone cared for from cradle to grave.

Absolute bullshit, the idea that something being run badly should be done away with completely rather than improved. And a government of the people, by the people and for the people SHOULD be expected to care for the people! Anyone who disagrees with that is a BASTARD! And government run institutions actually can be run BETTER than private ones, if this is any indication: https://dalehusband.com/2014/11/05/the-ultimate-discrediting-of-libertarianism/
This may come as a surprise to you, but I wasn’t alive when reservations were created — even if I do look that old. I have no idea what the best method of dealing with the Indians in the 1800s would have been. Our forefathers evidently thought they were doing the right thing.
Just because delusions were popular centuries ago does not mean we should perpertuate them forever. And note what I said earlier about present day vs past white people.

What happened between their forefathers and our forefathers is so far back — right, wrong or indifferent — that I don’t see why we owe them anything. I don’t know why the government should give them something that it wouldn’t give me.

Again, it is not about what was done in the past, but what is happening now as a result of what was done in the past. And the government has a responsibility to give back some of what was stolen or at least compensate for the losses.  If I as an individual steal from another individual, I cannot justify it many years later by saying, “The other person was selfishly holding on to the items I wanted. Why should I pay him back or go to jail after all this time?”  And it is the same for governments and races, even centuries later!

9 thoughts on “John Wayne, Great Actor, Terrible Human Being

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  3. So how far back dio we go to solve all the injustices throughout history? Do the Native American tribes also have to make reparations to each other?

  4. How about we just stop justifying what wrongdoings we did in the past, the way John Wayne did, and not repeat those things in the future?

  5. Well there was struggle in every time of the human existence, if anything present day “white” run countries are the only countries with welfare, legal system and human rights, at least in the surface, deep inside we all know we cannot have real democracy and equal rights, when you see a rich person use civil service police to be secure while you might even be shot by the same policemen.

    Now, the reason why we think of reparations is that the native Americans still exist (natives is ok, Americans not, they are pre American, so both Indian and native America should not be used).

    What do you do with Turks living in present day Turkey, they came with the sword, massacred the natives, send them occupied the whole Hellas (Greece) and balkans, and then they were slowly pushed away, they still reside in a place that is not theirs and the “rightful” owners are still existing, in the other half that is free (Greece).

    the answer here is war, to get your rights you have to fight and Indians haven’t won the war. Survival of the fittest was and still is the only driving force.

    The difference between USA and Turkey is that the Americans (ex-Europeans) turned USA into the first nation of the world, with the biggest welfare system and the most rights for humans than other countries, while the Turks are still living with islam, still have no human rights and still dream about conquering the world to have a sultan.

    USA already did what is right, created a sophisticated society and whoever wants can thrive (not 100% easy, but possible). On the other hand the rest of the world is still run by land stealers that haven’t given a single spark to humanity and still claim to be rightful owners of that land.

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    To put it better, Natives are living better now that the whites won, than they would if they won. There is no place in the world, worth living unless a white man rules that. Say it once even if you disagree with it, just spit it out loudly alone in your room, it will help you realize it is true.

    • “Natives are living better now that the whites won, than they would if they won.”

      Have you ever tried living on an “Indian Reservation” for several years? The Native Americans were dirt poor for most of the 20th Century and some of those tribes only started to improve their lives recently by building casinos to attract tourists to spend money on their land. Meanwhile, a lot of uppity Christians condemn gambling as a vice.

      My point is that we can do better, it’s just that conservative hypocrites choose not to because they benefit from the status quo and don’t care about others.

      Turkey was a secular republic for most of the 20th Century and only recently have Islamists started to take back control of it. It is no different than America regressing under Donald Trump. When people are allowed to feel both too comfortable and too certain of their absolute right to rule a society and that rule is challenged later, it will trigger a backlash. American blacks have NEVER been made equals with whites; we just gave the blacks a few bread crumbs and called if a loaf of bread. Likewise, Turkey never really allowed Islam to be discredited as a social force, since over 95% of its population remained Muslim.

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