First, read this news report:
Monks brawl at Christian holy site in Jerusalem
Published: 11/9/08, 12:25 PM EDT
By MATTI FRIEDMAN
JERUSALEM (AP) – Israeli police rushed into one of Christianity’s holiest churches Sunday and arrested two clergyman after an argument between monks erupted into a brawl next to the site of Jesus’ tomb.
The clash between Armenian and Greek Orthodox monks broke out in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, revered as the site of Jesus’ crucifixion, burial and resurrection.
The brawling began during a procession of Armenian clergymen commemorating the 4th-century discovery of the cross believed to have been used to crucify Jesus.
The Greeks objected to the march without one of their monks present, fearing that otherwise, the procession would subvert their own claim to the Edicule – the ancient structure built on what is believed to be the tomb of Jesus – and give the Armenians a claim to the site.
The Armenians refused, and when they tried to march the Greek Orthodox monks blocked their way, sparking the brawl.
Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said police were forced to intervene after fighting was reported. They arrested two monks, one from each side, he said.
A bearded Armenian monk in a red-and-pink robe and a black-clad Greek Orthodox monk with a bloody gash on his forehead were both taken away in handcuffs after scuffling with dozens of riot police.
Six Christian sects divide control of the ancient church. They regularly fight over turf and influence, and Israeli police are occasionally forced to intervene.
“We were keeping resistance so that the procession could not pass through … and establish a right that they don’t have,” said a young Greek Orthodox monk with a cut next to his left eye.
The monk, who gave his name as Serafim, said he sustained the wound when an Armenian punched him from behind and broke his glasses.
Father Pakrat of the Armenian Patriarchate said the Greek demand was “against the status quo arrangement and against the internal arrangement of the Holy Sepulcher.” He said the Greeks attacked first.
Archbishop Aristarchos, the chief secretary of the Greek Orthodox patriarchate, denied his monks initiated the violence.
After the brawl, the church was crowded with Israeli riot police holding assault rifles, standing beside Golgotha, where Jesus is believed to have been crucified, and the long smooth stone marking the place where tradition holds his body was laid out.
The feud is only one of a bewildering array of rivalries among churchmen in the Holy Sepulcher.
The Israeli government has long wanted to build a fire exit in the church, which regularly fills with thousands of pilgrims and has only one main door, but the sects cannot agree where the exit will be built.
A ladder placed on a ledge over the entrance sometime in the 19th century has remained there ever since because of a dispute over who has the authority to take it down.
More recently, a spat between Ethiopian and Coptic Christians is delaying badly needed renovations to a rooftop monastery that engineers say could collapse.
Now, does this look like anything Jesus would have recognized as being from him?
Last Sunday, I was teaching Sunday School in my Unitarian Church, and I pointed to a chart of different Christian denominations and their various beliefs, and I said, “Look at this! All these people read the same Bible, believe in the same God and follow the same Lord and Savior, yet they are so divided! Meanwhile, we Unitarians have Christians, Pagans, and Atheists all welcome in the same denomination and even the same building, TOGETHER! How is it that we have such a contradiction?”
Where I grew up, there was a street corner nearby and there were THREE churches all around that corner, within view of each other. A Baptist church, a Methodist church, and an Assemblies of God church. It would have been much simpler and more in accord with Jesus’ teachings for them all to worship together.
It seems that everything that Jesus condemned in the Judaism of his time has been commited by the Christians who came after him. My conclusion is that there are NO true Christians and that it is time to simply declare the religion a complete failure and just……….move…………on!
Then who would minister to the sick? If Jesus instructed his disciples to avoid the gentiles and the Samaritans to reach the most needy, those who believed they were the Chosen Jews; why would you then not go out to the faithful Christians who also are the sickest and need his teachings the most to rescue them? He sent seventy-two other disciples ahead in pairs to all the towns and places he planned to visit. Matthew 10:5-6 Luke 10:1
Dale Husband: Good advice! Have you converted to another religion yet, just as Jews would have done 1900 years ago if they converted to Christianity?
Hi Dale,
Jesus’ rescue was to bring his people back to their own conscience: face the truth about yourself, repent, forgive, move on and live life.
Is his teaching taught in your Church that ‘nothing has it’ i.e not to be imprinted by secondhand information?
“Have you converted to another religion yet…?”
As the teachings of all philosophers is ‘to get out of what you get into,’ I don’t know how to believe what I don’t understand. Is this what you’d call “Faith;” the ‘I kid myself, I kid you’ professions of those avoiding a punishment?
Dale Husband: Sorry, but your writing seems so incoherent to me that I cannot answer it. I think you are mentally ill, seriously.
Forgive me Dale,
I had condensed so much research and observation in so few sentences that any journey not similarly walked could not appreciate them. I apologize for my rudeness.
Jesus had the same rebuke: “He is demon-possessed and raving mad.” [John 10:20]
I found your blog simply because I was researching the reason the Unitarian Church did not reveal Jesus’ teachings on their blog: http://www.uua.org/beliefs/welcome/christianity/151244.shtml
I have been answered. Thank you and best wishes.
Your apology is accepted, but it would have been far better if you had commented on my blog entries relating to Unitarian Universalism (UUism) and brought up the issue of UUism’s relationship with Christianity on your very first comment. Then we would have had a better dialogue.
I am used to bigoted trolls attacking me for my political or religious views, so it is a relief to see you are not one of them and know when you have made a mistake.
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