I had an encounter with a Mormon using the name “Hero Spector” on another blog recently. The results were quite amusing.

http://buggingmos.wordpress.com/about-2/

Mocking Mormons is a favourite passtime of mine!

The Mormon personality invites mockery.

Let’s substitute some words and see how those phrases play.

“Mocking Jews is a favourite pastime of mine!”

“The black personality invites mockery.”

Yeah, you’re both bigots. I’d love to know what the “Mormon personality” is. Talk about gross generalizations and stereotypes. 14 million people who all have the same personality. Right.

Hero Spector, you call opponents of Mormonism bigots? The truth is that there is so much in Mormonism that is itself bigoted and downright stupid that only an ignorant person would NOT mock it! And that ignorance is reflected in the delusional behavior of Mormons like you!

Spoken like a true 13-year-old boy with too much time on his hands to troll the internet insulting people he wouldn’t have the courage to confront in an actual face-to-face meeting.

Well done. Excellent rebuttal. Scholarly stuff. Bravo.

Hero Spector said of me
“Spoken like a true 13-year-old boy with too much time on his hands to troll the internet insulting people he wouldn’t have the courage to confront in an actual face-to-face meeting.”

Which only proves his arrogance and ignorance, which is typical of Mormons. For the record, I am anti-Mormon and proud of it, because Mormonism is nothing but lies and I have an ethical obligation to oppose lies when I see them, period. Hero is a liar, asserting things he has no evidence for and no reason to believe.

Dale Husband. You also clearly lack a sense of irony. But keep it up. You’re a wonderful evangelist for your opponents. With an attitude like that, please let me know if you’re available to be a spokesperson for cigarettes. We’ll have people giving up smoking in droves.

Hero Spector:
Then we have established beyond a reasonable doubt that you are not to be taken seriously, just as you refuse to take opponents of Mormonism seriously. But life is not a joke and following a blatantly false religion like Mormonism founded by a self-evident fraud like Joseph Smith will lead you either to eternal damnation or nothing at all. Enjoy your pathetic existence.

Dale Husband. Enjoy your flame war. If you’re trying to singlehandedly take down the faith of 15 million people, you would probably do well to start by getting the word out on a website that’s actually widely read by people. You’re in the netherworld over here.

Otherwise, I’ll leave you with this thought. Mother Teresa was once asked if she’d attend an anti-war rally. Her reply, “Get back to me when yo have a pro-peace rally.”

It’s easy to be an angry critic and tear things down. Hard to be the bringer of good news who offers people something that makes their lives better, happier and more enriching. If this is how you follow the holidays and start the New Year… maybe you need a refresher on what kindness, courtesy, good cheer and respect actually mean. We need fewer mean people in the world and a little more kindness and dignity. I won’t be playing in your swamp.

How am I supposed to react to something that is as fraudulent and despicable as Mormonism? If con artistry like this was done in any other field, would it even be tolerated by most people? Attacking me for being angry about it is like attacking a starving man for being hungry!

It does not matter if 15 million people follow a pack of lies. Also, Mother Teresa was not a Mormon, so quoting her out of context to justify your attitude is dishonest. And I believe I have plenty of kindness, courtesy, good cheer, dignity, and respect…..I just do not waste them on people like Hero Spector who clearly do not deserve any of it.

Dale… since you’re so engaged by this “con artistry,” then by all means… take your proof to the court of public opinion. Get on talk shows. Write a book. Start a blog that will invariably be frequented by billions of people eager to learn what you’ve discovered that millions of others haven’t.

But you’re wasting your time here. Nobody comes to this site.

And I wasn’t quoting Mother Teresa out of context. Her position, which is mine, is that in any given situation, if you believe a wrong is being done, the better tactic is to present a positive alternative rather than simply being “anti” something. Your assertions of Mormonism’s “fraud” are nothing new. In fact, you’ve done nothing but bitch and moan here, offering nothing by way of proof, argument, etc. Not that I’m interested in engaging you. I’m not. I assure you that all your objections are debated in a thousand other places on the internet, pro and con. And at the end of the day, as with all other faiths, the “proof” one way or the other… doesn’t exist. It’s a matter of faith. You believe or you don’t. So unless you feel that Mormonism is doing you demonstrable harm personally, just crawl back in your little hole. Otherwise, if your assertion that Mormonism is “con artistry” is true, then you should be taking the matter to legal authorities. Fraudulent endeavors, especially those that collect money, are against the law. I’m sure the federal authorities would love to hear your proof.

Hero Spector bull$#itted some more:
“since you’re so engaged by this “con artistry,” then by all means… take your proof to the court of public opinion.”
I believe that is the purpose of this blog we are commenting on.

“But you’re wasting your time here. Nobody comes to this site.”
Look up the word, “nobody” in a dictionary, liar.

“in any given situation, if you believe a wrong is being done, the better tactic is to present a positive alternative rather than simply being “anti” something.”
Good idea! How about: http://americanhumanist.org/

” In fact, you’ve done nothing but bitch and moan here, offering nothing by way of proof, argument, etc. Not that I’m interested in engaging you. I’m not.”
First, you HAVE been engaging me, liar. Second, you really want me to spend the next several hours detailing how worthless Mormonism is? Gee, where do I begin?

“And at the end of the day, as with all other faiths, the “proof” one way or the other… doesn’t exist. It’s a matter of faith. You believe or you don’t. ”
Taking that claim to its (il)logical conclusion, we might as well say that the belief that the Earth is flat and at the center of the universe may also be a matter of faith, right? NO! There ARE matters that can conclusively been proven false by empirical evidence, including the Mormon claim that Native American tribes were descended from ancient Hebrews. DNA testing of both Jews and Native American debunks that! Native Americans are most closely related to the various Mongoloid peoples of Central Asia. Jews, at least those that are not converts to the religion from other races, are not Mongoloids.

“if your assertion that Mormonism is “con artistry” is true, then you should be taking the matter to legal authorities. Fraudulent endeavors, especially those that collect money, are against the law. I’m sure the federal authorities would love to hear your proof.”
You know as well as I do that the First Amendment protects freedom of religion, even clearly false ones like yours.

Mormons don’t believe Native American tribes are descended from Hebrews. So much for your actually researching the faith and the claims you allege to debunk.

Google is available for you to remedy your misinformation. But I’ll give you a hint: the civilization in the Book of Mormon that is alleged to be descended from itinerant Hebrews becomes extinct. Hence, logically speaking, all peoples who actually were descended from Hebrews in the Book of Mormon ceased to exist long, long, long ago.

The book also never maintains — nor have any LDS scholars — that there weren’t already Asiatic peoples in the Americas. The area in which the Book of Mormon takes place is also quite likely a very limited area of only a couple hundred square miles… not the entirety of the Americas.

So instead of being nasty and mean and misinformed… how about being kind and courteous to someone for a change? People who get off on anonymously trolling the internet so they can insult and denigrate and exercise the darker elements of their personality which they don’t dare exercise in day to day interpersonal reactions suffer from a serious personality disorder that could prove dangerous someday. So please… go find someone to love and be kind to. And try to refrain from this kind of negativity, insult and denigration. It serves no constructive purpose. I’ve never met anyone who ever won an argument or persuaded someone to their point of view by cursing, insulting or venting anger and bile.

Enjoy your week.

“Mormons don’t believe Native American tribes are descended from Hebrews.”

Hero Spector, we have already established you as a liar, no need for you to confirm it even more. Or perhaps they no longer preach that absurdity? That would be commendable, but…

“the civilization in the Book of Mormon that is alleged to be descended from itinerant Hebrews becomes extinct. Hence, logically speaking, all peoples who actually were descended from Hebrews in the Book of Mormon ceased to exist long, long, long ago. ”

And yet Jesus is said to have visited that people to preach the gospel to them. If they later died out completely, logically speaking, his mission was a failure. The gospel did not save them at all.

“The area in which the Book of Mormon takes place is also quite likely a very limited area of only a couple hundred square miles… not the entirety of the Americas. ”

Ah, that explains the complete lack of evidence for the events described in the Book of Mormon. So where was this tiny area? Are you familiar with the many cases in which the Mormon Church had to change its dogmas to avoid losing most of its members? Like the case of polygamy, for example. That alone destroys its credibility. How can a church founded by someone who practiced polygamy excommunicate anyone who does it now? Because it is run by hypocrites. Ironically, the so-called Mormon fundamentalists are being far more consistent in their stupidity than the mainstream Mormons. But the treatment of girls and women in such communities proves only one thing: that the men running them are perverts who practice sexual slavery disguised as marriage. Muslims often do this too, of course. It stands to reason that the early Mormon leaders, including the “Prophet” Joseph Smith, were also perverts.

“People who get off on anonymously trolling the internet so they can insult and denigrate and exercise the darker elements of their personality which they don’t dare exercise in day to day interpersonal reactions suffer from a serious personality disorder that could prove dangerous someday.”

First, I am not anonymous. The name you see on my posts is my real one and that name and the Circle H logo you see is one I use all over the internet. I do not hide my true self. Second, engaging in personal attacks like that only damages YOUR credibility more than mine. It is nothing but tone trolling. It’s really all you can do because you cannot face the truth about your religion.

“I’ve never met anyone who ever won an argument or persuaded someone to their point of view by cursing, insulting or venting anger and bile. ”

I’m not trying to persuade you of anything, because I already know you are immune to logic, truth, or any sense of honor. I’m just putting you and all other Mormons on notice now and forever that your bullcrap will not stand with me. Get over it! Others who are undecided about Mormonism can see these comments too, as well as my other statements about Mormonism here:
https://dalehusband.com/category/religion/mormonism/

Dale. Listen. Whatever narcissistic thrill you get from beating your chest digitally, I’m not going to be a party to it. Anyone “investigating” Mormonism has plenty of material all over the internet to consult. Whatever your issues, they’re your issues.

This is my last response to you since it’s clear you do this more for gratification than anything else. I have a life to live. I’m not going to waste it yanking your chain. For someone so dedicated to humanism, logic etc. I find this suspect:

“I’m not trying to persuade you of anything, because I already know you are immune to logic, truth, or any sense of honor.”

Actually, you know nothing of the sort. You’ve never met me. You’ve traded several brief messages with me. And nowhere in our exchange is there sufficient information for you to deduce that. You’re just looking for a flame war.

And then this:

“I’m just putting you and all other Mormons on notice now and forever that your bullcrap will not stand with me. Get over it! ”

I’m sorry, but what? I didn’t come knocking on your door, I didn’t track you down and throw a tract in your face. You came here and picked a fight with me. If you don’t want someone’s “bullcrap” (you’re quite the wordsmith, there) to “not stand” with you… then don’t go picking fights. Just mind your own business. Like most everyone else does.

And now. I am over it. Bye. Go try bullying someone else. Get back to me if you have any interest in actually arranging a face to face meeting.

You lack tact, civility and dignity. And you really could also do with a better vocabulary. Not exactly a selling point for whatever it is that you’re selling.

Hero Spector, YOU came here first and attacked my ally MoBugger, and I responded to that to defend him, so EVERYTHING you said in your last comment was a lie. You came here to defend Mormonism because you were so outraged by MoBugger’s blog that you felt he was a target for you. Your rhetoric is as phony as your religion and it’s all you have. I have no desire to meet you, or any other Mormon hypocrite, face to face, unless I can take a long shower afterwards to cleanse myself. Goodbye and good riddance!