One of the most pathetic delusions ever stated by Christian fanatics is found here:
Could I suggest that you never actually had the true saving faith to begin with, but merely a faith? So, you were never a Christian, like the Bible defines it
I will not say it is a misconception, rather a biblical fact. Take 1 John 2:19,
“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.”
Here we can plainly see that the issue is that those members of the church were NEVER actually church members to begin with.
Now you said a few things, you said you, “asked Jesus into your heart.” Well, that is an issue plaguing the church called ‘Decisional Regeneration.’ We never find that type of “ask Jesus in your heart” language in the Scriptures.
So, without going into too much detail, my heart TRULY goes out to you. Your post displays clear signs of a false conversion which led to apostasy. If you want too know what TRUE conversion looks like, I would be more than happy to tell you.
Till then, do not see this as an attack on your atheistic beliefs, rather, an upholding of TRUE, biblical Christianity. It is very easy to think you are saved and actually not be saved.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
My heart really goes out to you. It really made me sad, reading your note. I don’t know you but from what I have read it sounds like you never knew the person of Jesus. You say you were more Christian than other Christians – “I was more Christian than most Christians! I ministered, tried to evangelize, stood up for my beliefs, and did everything “right.” Was I perfect? No, nobody is. But my life was right–my actions were right, my heart was right. It just didn’t work anyways.”
Sounds like you had a work-based faith rather than faith based works. Work based faith is no faith at all; faith is a gift from God. The pharisees knew their bibles inside out yet were they saved? No!
I sympathise with you concerning the way the members of your church treated you. True christians love the brethren (1 John 3:10, 4:7,20).
But I also get the sense that you feel like you deserve something from God for all the work you have done. You speak of lack of humilty in the church, but could I also say that maybe it was you that needed to be humble? I see a lot of “I” and “Me” in your note…
This is not an attack on you; like i said earlier my heart really goes out to you. My prayer is that by the grace of God you hear and believe the true gospel, and embrace the person of Jesus Christ.
This is the damnable “No True Scotsman” fallacy. It’s based on the absurd idea that “true” Christianity is so good, so wonderful, so ideal, that no genuine Christian would ever leave the faith. And it’s bull$#it. Christianity is a profoundly flawed religion that does NOT meet the spiritual needs of millions of people around the world, even some of those who were raised in Christian families. That truth needs to be acknowledged by most Christians themselves. It also should be acknowledged by Muslims, Baha’is and others about their faiths. No religion is perfect or complete. Only the immature expect perfection because they do not know better, so the Christian fanatics just need to GROW UP!
You’re kidding me, right? How can you judge what faith I had when you don’t even know me? Not that it is your place to tell me whether or not I had faith at all. A false conversion? Please, by all means, tell me where I went wrong! I am quite sure you have the answer that 23 years of church 2-3x per week, Christian camps, conferences, and theology classes and books did not have.
(Sorry if I sound irritated–I don’t have a problem with people posting differing opinions, but I DO have a problem when people take those opinions and tell me who I am or was when they have never even met me.)
The ranks of people who have left Christianity, including myself, are enormous. Here is one list:
And here is a supremely useful web page with links to many websites for former Christians:
The only person that should ever judge whether or not a person was a “true” Christian is God himself. Anyone else is being an @$$hole.